Heathrow Third Runway Approved by Parliament
Jun 5, 2018, 1:32 pm
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By my previous estimate, you could make the runway out of 5mm of solid gold for the current cost estimated cost of the new runway but Grayling seemed to suggest public funds would be used to compensate locals. Since when should public funds be used to buy a private company (not just that a private foreign company and one which puts the odious Mohamed "Woman can't run big scary companies" Al Baker on the board) a huge new asset? It's not like they will be paying corporation tax in the UK?
Jun 5, 2018, 1:54 pm
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Re-read the first sentence of the second paragraph of my post. The "error" factor is the same as any existing runway. Then re-read the second sentence of my second paragraph and note that the proposed separation distance is enough to allow for all possibilities. Got it now?
Jun 5, 2018, 1:58 pm
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You really think it would have even been proposed if it was either unsafe or crazy? Seriously?
Jun 5, 2018, 2:03 pm
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Jun 5, 2018, 2:30 pm
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The huge advantage of the Heathrow Hub runway proposal is of course that, at 7 km long, it would enough for a Skylon spaceplane to take-off from ... could operate at night when there is a curfew on normal aeroplanes.
Jun 5, 2018, 2:45 pm
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Safety matters aside, the Heathrow Hub's Achilles' Heel is reduced noise respite due to limited runway alternation.
Jun 5, 2018, 4:37 pm
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No-one wants them. Two of them are being parted out and two more might well go the same way: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1J10R2
Jun 5, 2018, 9:12 pm
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As many as 260,000 additional slots could become available by extending the runway, enabling alternate approaches, respite periods for local communities and an opportunity to reduce night quota flights. Crucially, during the critical early morning period, arriving aircraft could land 2.5 miles further west on the new runway extension, moving the entire noise footprint and reducing sleep disturbance for many West London residents.
Jun 5, 2018, 11:57 pm
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Not getting at you, but I’ve requested a copy numerous times from the Hub organisation and have never heard back, despite them continually claiming the safety benefits on Twitter.
Jun 6, 2018, 12:32 am
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Totally agree should be building two extra runways at LHR and one further a LGW and also should be planning infrastructure to improve links between these two hubs plus from the Midlands and North of England and not waiting until capacity is breached again. Infrastructure planning in Uk has been abysmal for last forty years
Jun 6, 2018, 2:55 am
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Back to the specific issue of the third runway, and following on from the above: why hasn't this been considered as part of much wider infrastructure investment?
Specifically: a proper connection to HS2 from Heathrow, and an accelerated programme to see the full length of HS2 completed far sooner (and supplementary sections of high speed rail elsewhere). This, plus through-ticketing/code-sharing, would allow a significant proportion of domestic flights - at least MAN/LBA, and some NCL/EDI/GLA - to be withdrawn in favour of direct high speed rail links. In turn, this would free up slots - on the existing runway, and/or on any new runways - for long haul destinations and to allow better spacing of flights for increased reliability even in inclement weather.
IIRC, Eurostar takes 75% of the London-Paris air/rail market. Paris-Brussels on Thalys is 1h25 or so. With HS2 Manchester (Airport/Piccadilly) will only be about 1h10 from London - and even NCL will be 2h20, without further high speed rail construction, which is just about competitive. This also opens up the chance for 'flights' to places like Liverpool, York, etc.
Yet instead, I saw something on the news about a certain proportion of the new runway capacity being reserved for domestic flights (no doubt as a way for securing domestic political buy-in from around the country)… which seems like a bit of a wasteful strategy, given that with a decent HSR network, most of England could be within 90 minutes by direct train of LHR.
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Jun 6, 2018, 3:14 am
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Specifically: a proper connection to HS2 from Heathrow, and an accelerated programme to see the full length of HS2 completed far sooner (and supplementary sections of high speed rail elsewhere). This, plus through-ticketing/code-sharing, would allow a significant proportion of domestic flights - at least MAN/LBA, and some NCL/EDI/GLA - to be withdrawn in favour of direct high speed rail links. In turn, this would free up slots - on the existing runway, and/or on any new runways - for long haul destinations and to allow better spacing of flights for increased reliability even in inclement weather.
Yet instead, I saw something on the news about a certain proportion of the new runway capacity being reserved for domestic flights (no doubt as a way for securing domestic political buy-in from around the country)… which seems like a bit of a wasteful strategy, given that with a decent HSR network, most of England could be within 90 minutes by direct train of LHR.
Yet instead, I saw something on the news about a certain proportion of the new runway capacity being reserved for domestic flights (no doubt as a way for securing domestic political buy-in from around the country)… which seems like a bit of a wasteful strategy, given that with a decent HSR network, most of England could be within 90 minutes by direct train of LHR.
Jun 6, 2018, 3:44 am
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Perhaps a couple more at LGW, or, more sensibly, a new airport on the green belt. How about some new thinking?