Emigration control delays from some European airports
Aug 7, 2017, 4:57 am
#76
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MAD just seems to be swamped for people leaving in the 11 AM to 1PM bank to America.
I'd say between 930 and 1130 the lines are very long but otherwise reasonable. And obviously if you use IB metal, there are basically no lines in the non-Schengen corner of T4 main
I'd say between 930 and 1130 the lines are very long but otherwise reasonable. And obviously if you use IB metal, there are basically no lines in the non-Schengen corner of T4 main
Aug 7, 2017, 6:40 am
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Interesting. I think it suggests that there is still quite a bit of confusion locally about implementation and perhaps layout-specific implementation. To NCE, since the start of July, my flights to/from BRU, ATH, and AMS (both terminals) have been id checked and my flights to/from ZRH, VCE, TXL (both terminals) have been check free.
Aug 7, 2017, 7:34 am
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What I said is that "Schengen is one of the most safely controlled areas in the world", and I'm not really sure what part you are disagreeing with?
To answer cws's question on location, the 'Bangeman wave' was actually agreed in Madrid in 1992, specifically as a compromise between the EU Commissioner and the Kenneth Clarke.
The new regulation is part of the anti-terror legislation agreed by the Schengen area member states and it started applying in early April. It imposes the comparison of id data with the Schengen database for every passenger, which, in practice, has made scans both longer and harder to waive, but note that even before that, 'passport waving' had been the exception rather than the rule for years and in many countries would even be extremely rare as the 'Bangaman wave' principle itself was in fact abandoned a long time ago.
To answer cws's question on location, the 'Bangeman wave' was actually agreed in Madrid in 1992, specifically as a compromise between the EU Commissioner and the Kenneth Clarke.
The new regulation is part of the anti-terror legislation agreed by the Schengen area member states and it started applying in early April. It imposes the comparison of id data with the Schengen database for every passenger, which, in practice, has made scans both longer and harder to waive, but note that even before that, 'passport waving' had been the exception rather than the rule for years and in many countries would even be extremely rare as the 'Bangaman wave' principle itself was in fact abandoned a long time ago.
For me, 'passport waving' have been the norm and not the exception. I can't remember a single time in the last five years that my passport has been scanned in MAD (and I count more than 30 flights). Most of the time, quick look at the passport / ID card. Sometimes, just showing the cover of the passport. And in the bad days, Ryanair just dump the flight by mistake in the Schengen Area of T1 and off you go.
And around Europe the situation was not better. Yes, Germans most of the times scanned the passport, but not always, and same in the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland etc
Aug 7, 2017, 8:42 am
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That said, as for our compared experiences, maybe I look more worrying than you but having totalled literally hundreds of flights to/from virtually every country within Schengen except Luxembourg in the past 5 years, the passport waving has accounted for well below 5% of my experiences.
Last edited by orbitmic; Aug 7, 2017 at 8:49 am
Aug 8, 2017, 2:18 am
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Interesting. I think it suggests that there is still quite a bit of confusion locally about implementation and perhaps layout-specific implementation. To NCE, since the start of July, my flights to/from BRU, ATH, and AMS (both terminals) have been id checked and my flights to/from ZRH, VCE, TXL (both terminals) have been check free.
Anyway - no issues ex-ZRH last Friday night, or indeed on return yesterday evening. Queue was a couple of people max and moved quickly.
Aug 8, 2017, 2:30 am
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I flew from LYS on Saturday. After security I turned right for the lounge but noticed the long line for emigration control on my left. Yet, when it was time to go to my gate the line was gone and there were no officers there to check my passport so I just walked straight through.
Aug 8, 2017, 3:42 am
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I flew from LYS on Saturday. After security I turned right for the lounge but noticed the long line for emigration control on my left. Yet, when it was time to go to my gate the line was gone and there were no officers there to check my passport so I just walked straight through.
Thread Drift - sorry couldn't resist.
Aug 8, 2017, 4:04 am
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Aug 10, 2017, 12:18 pm
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Hopefully things are better but this was MAD Passport Control at 10 AM on July 4th:
I'd never seen anything like it. A complete breakdown in command and control. No employees directing people or keeping order, no tensa barriers herding people where to go. Shoving matches broke out and eventually armed police came out to glare at people. It took me nearly 90 minutes to get to an agent.
I'd never seen anything like it. A complete breakdown in command and control. No employees directing people or keeping order, no tensa barriers herding people where to go. Shoving matches broke out and eventually armed police came out to glare at people. It took me nearly 90 minutes to get to an agent.
Aug 10, 2017, 12:40 pm
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I've been departing from LIN on a weekly basis over the past few months and, so far (touch wood), never got stuck. There was a slightly longer queue the other day before the LCY afternoon service (a couple of other flights departing from the B25/28's non-Schengen boarding area), but I was through in less than 10 minutes.
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Aug 10, 2017, 1:03 pm
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Are we speaking the same language? It seems to me that my assertion on Schengen being one of the safest guarded areas in the world, from my very first post in this thread, has been about the present situation not about hypothetical pasts at t-1, t-5 or t-10, about which I did not comment.
That said, as for our compared experiences, maybe I look more worrying than you but having totalled literally hundreds of flights to/from virtually every country within Schengen except Luxembourg in the past 5 years, the passport waving has accounted for well below 5% of my experiences.
That said, as for our compared experiences, maybe I look more worrying than you but having totalled literally hundreds of flights to/from virtually every country within Schengen except Luxembourg in the past 5 years, the passport waving has accounted for well below 5% of my experiences.
My experience with the passport waving is quite the opposite, but 75% of my travel has been to and from MAD, and Spain was very well known to don't bother at all scanning passports.
Aug 10, 2017, 3:07 pm
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E-gates are available (at least in Departures 3 where the BA checkin is) signed for EEA, Swiss, US, Korean, Japanese, and a couple of others. The one time I have used them (the Privium gate was not working) there were no problems, worked like the Heathrow e-gates.
Aug 11, 2017, 7:17 am
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Cool !
Aug 11, 2017, 7:31 am
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I've been departing from LIN on a weekly basis over the past few months and, so far (touch wood), never got stuck. There was a slightly longer queue the other day before the LCY afternoon service (a couple of other flights departing from the B25/28's non-Schengen boarding area), but I was through in less than 10 minutes.
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I was though in about 8 mins.
Aug 11, 2017, 9:33 am
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Flew from Barcelona on Wednesday evening.
Security took 7 minutes. Would have been faster but they were definitely on a go slow.
Immigration was painless - 1 minute!
Gatwick on the other hand....
Security took 7 minutes. Would have been faster but they were definitely on a go slow.
Immigration was painless - 1 minute!
Gatwick on the other hand....