Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Jul 10, 2017, 12:19 pm
#3001
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Its not me making any estimate of passenger numbers so I have no idea why you are trying to ask me whether I am saying the planes are empty - I am not saying anything on passenger numbers.
Jul 10, 2017, 12:43 pm
#3002
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Many hundreds inconvenienced. I doubt that is far out.
Jul 10, 2017, 12:50 pm
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Jul 10, 2017, 12:58 pm
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Jul 10, 2017, 1:33 pm
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If I'm traveling in my car I expect to encounter red lights. It's part of a normal journey. If I'm flying with BA I don't expect my flight to be cancelled. I'm not sure how they are similar examples.
Jul 10, 2017, 1:53 pm
#3006
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I don't think we ever expected to bring the operation to a grinding halt. However with every long haul going 2/3 crew down and 5-10 cancellations a day we're certainly causing a headache and I can only see it getting worse as the month goes on.
Jul 10, 2017, 2:01 pm
#3007
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Apologies if I have missed something, but for those crew or bods in the know, is this just an open ended strike? I see on the wiki there are dates but the duration is getting longer and the "gaps" shorter! I am due to fly over August bank holiday so am interested!
Jul 10, 2017, 2:05 pm
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Jul 10, 2017, 2:22 pm
#3010
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But - 2 points. There's only 3 cancellations that I can see tomorrow. 2 are on routes where BA partner with airlines which they have close commercial agreements with and who have multi frequency throughout the day. So limited impact.
You say you can only see it getting worse as the month goes on but what's changed in terms of impact since this started back in Jan? Very little.
Jul 10, 2017, 2:29 pm
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Jul 10, 2017, 2:58 pm
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I want BA to sort this out. As a customer, I'm frankly fed up of both sides behaviour.
But - 2 points. There's only 3 cancellations that I can see tomorrow. 2 are on routes where BA partner with airlines which they have close commercial agreements with and who have multi frequency throughout the day. So limited impact.
You say you can only see it getting worse as the month goes on but what's changed in terms of impact since this started back in Jan? Very little.
But - 2 points. There's only 3 cancellations that I can see tomorrow. 2 are on routes where BA partner with airlines which they have close commercial agreements with and who have multi frequency throughout the day. So limited impact.
You say you can only see it getting worse as the month goes on but what's changed in terms of impact since this started back in Jan? Very little.
Jul 10, 2017, 3:18 pm
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Jul 10, 2017, 3:24 pm
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I recently flew from LGW to TFS and the flight was over an hour late departing. I was inconvenienced, but it didn't ruin my holiday, and it won't stop me flying BA again.
With 100,000+ passengers a day it's going to take more than a couple of examples to justify any suggestion that the strike is having a meaningful impact on the traveling public.
Jul 10, 2017, 3:44 pm
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If the figures @ post #2860 are correct then less than 25% of the MF support the strike. Over 50% don't even feel the need to be in Unite. With figures like that why would BA give in. Some costs will be offset by the full utilisation of aircraft by almagmating flights, wages not paid to strikers and the cancellation of staff perks. Any satisfaction gained by the strikers from customers leaving BA is shortsighted as a downturn in revenue would mean job losses and even tighter pay conditions in the future. As I've said before the NUM took on a strike they couldn't win and look how that turned out.