New Club World (Genuinely something new)
Nov 3, 2018, 11:03 pm
#706
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i have strong doubts BA will follow IB here.
The Solstys seat design is optimised for the A330/A340 and simply doesn’t configure efficiently in the narrower fuselage of the 787 and A380 upper deck or the wider fuselage of the 777, 747, and A380 main deck.
So when you think about how the product is space-planned you can see it works very well for A330 as the seat units are laterally spaced in a 1-2-1 arrangement where each unit consists of 2 seats. Apply these units to the A380 and the best they achieve is a 1-1-1 arrangement on the upper deck and 1-2-1 on the main deck. That’s very poor in terms of space utilisation.
The B/E Suoer Diamond product adapts itself substantially better to the variable cabin widths inherent in BA’s fleet
The Solstys seat design is optimised for the A330/A340 and simply doesn’t configure efficiently in the narrower fuselage of the 787 and A380 upper deck or the wider fuselage of the 777, 747, and A380 main deck.
So when you think about how the product is space-planned you can see it works very well for A330 as the seat units are laterally spaced in a 1-2-1 arrangement where each unit consists of 2 seats. Apply these units to the A380 and the best they achieve is a 1-1-1 arrangement on the upper deck and 1-2-1 on the main deck. That’s very poor in terms of space utilisation.
The B/E Suoer Diamond product adapts itself substantially better to the variable cabin widths inherent in BA’s fleet
Nov 3, 2018, 11:15 pm
#707
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I am taking a punt on the JL J (the 787 version)-style seats.
Nov 3, 2018, 11:21 pm
#708
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Have you ever sat in the "club four" at the rear of the lower deck of a New Routemaster? Your face is at half the distance from the face of the person opposite you, and in addition to seeing their face in front of you at this close proximity you also have no option but to rub knees with them. And on many journeys, you have to do this for much longer than it takes to get to the end of the BA safety briefing.
The difference I suppose is TL don't pretend it is a premium experience....
Nov 3, 2018, 11:48 pm
#709
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i have strong doubts BA will follow IB here.
The Solstys seat design is optimised for the A330/A340 and simply doesn’t configure efficiently in the narrower fuselage of the 787 and A380 upper deck or the wider fuselage of the 777, 747, and A380 main deck.
So when you think about how the product is space-planned you can see it works very well for A330 as the seat units are laterally spaced in a 1-2-1 arrangement where each unit consists of 2 seats. Apply these units to the A380 and the best they achieve is a 1-1-1 arrangement on the upper deck and 1-2-1 on the main deck. That’s very poor in terms of space utilisation.
The B/E Suoer Diamond product adapts itself substantially better to the variable cabin widths inherent in BA’s fleet
The Solstys seat design is optimised for the A330/A340 and simply doesn’t configure efficiently in the narrower fuselage of the 787 and A380 upper deck or the wider fuselage of the 777, 747, and A380 main deck.
So when you think about how the product is space-planned you can see it works very well for A330 as the seat units are laterally spaced in a 1-2-1 arrangement where each unit consists of 2 seats. Apply these units to the A380 and the best they achieve is a 1-1-1 arrangement on the upper deck and 1-2-1 on the main deck. That’s very poor in terms of space utilisation.
The B/E Suoer Diamond product adapts itself substantially better to the variable cabin widths inherent in BA’s fleet
Solstys seat configurations - poorly optimised for the Boeing 787 and Airbus A380, resulting in comically narrow or wastefully wide aisles
Last edited by Prospero; Nov 4, 2018 at 12:05 am
Nov 4, 2018, 1:54 am
#710
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True, but then again TfL doesn't provide a staggered arrangement so that you're not actually rubbing knees because you're laterally separated, or a divider to screen you from the other person for 95% or more of the duration of the journey, or a seat that reclines at all let alone to a horizontal position from which you actually can't see the face of the other person without raising yourself up, or champagne ...
Last edited by Globaliser; Nov 4, 2018 at 1:09 am
Nov 4, 2018, 2:56 am
#711
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i have strong doubts BA will follow IB here.
The Solstys seat design is optimised for the A330/A340 and simply doesn’t configure efficiently in the narrower fuselage of the 787 and A380 upper deck or the wider fuselage of the 777, 747, and A380 main deck.
So when you think about how the product is space-planned you can see it works very well for A330 as the seat units are laterally spaced in a 1-2-1 arrangement where each unit consists of 2 seats. Apply these units to the A380 and the best they achieve is a 1-1-1 arrangement on the upper deck and 1-2-1 on the main deck. That’s very poor in terms of space utilisation.
The B/E Suoer Diamond product adapts itself substantially better to the variable cabin widths inherent in BA’s fleet
The Solstys seat design is optimised for the A330/A340 and simply doesn’t configure efficiently in the narrower fuselage of the 787 and A380 upper deck or the wider fuselage of the 777, 747, and A380 main deck.
So when you think about how the product is space-planned you can see it works very well for A330 as the seat units are laterally spaced in a 1-2-1 arrangement where each unit consists of 2 seats. Apply these units to the A380 and the best they achieve is a 1-1-1 arrangement on the upper deck and 1-2-1 on the main deck. That’s very poor in terms of space utilisation.
The B/E Suoer Diamond product adapts itself substantially better to the variable cabin widths inherent in BA’s fleet
Last edited by hemschmall; Nov 4, 2018 at 6:12 am
Nov 4, 2018, 3:25 am
#712
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And I don’t think TG has ever been the comparator for sound airline decisions. 😜
Nov 4, 2018, 4:24 am
#713
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As for TG...
Nov 4, 2018, 5:27 am
#714
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Either I'm having an off-day, or none of this is making sense! The 787 cabin is wider than the a330/a340. That diagram does not reflect this. If we're talking about the 767, then that would line up with the argument. Of course, that scenario is a moot point.
As for TG...
As for TG...
the 787 is indeed wider than the a330, and so the Solstys theoretically should be able to fit into the 787 cabin.
Additionally, airlines like Asiana and China Southern has the Solstys on the upper deck in a 1-2-1 configuration as well.
Nov 4, 2018, 6:12 am
#715
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Yes, and it is being used on 777s too - Garuda and PIA being examples. They are reasonable layouts, and not hideously inefficient. Whether it is the most efficient is another matter.
Of course, Solstys, and indeed any other off-the-shelf product, come in a number of flavours and sizes. The new regional SIA seat is in effect a very heavily modified Solstys and achieves a comfortable 1-2-1 on the 787.
Of course, Solstys, and indeed any other off-the-shelf product, come in a number of flavours and sizes. The new regional SIA seat is in effect a very heavily modified Solstys and achieves a comfortable 1-2-1 on the 787.
Nov 4, 2018, 6:44 am
#716
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Either I'm having an off-day, or none of this is making sense! The 787 cabin is wider than the a330/a340. That diagram does not reflect this. If we're talking about the 767, then that would line up with the argument. Of course, that scenario is a moot point.
As for TG...
As for TG...
Nov 4, 2018, 7:09 am
#717
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Yes, thank-you for the correction. While my mind was in a hopeless muddle about the 787 cabin width, my overall point concerning the efficiency of the Solstys product still stands. The shortcoming of the Solsyts module which provides a fixed unit width of 1.065m and a min unit pitch of 2.261m, is its very long and very thin working footprint. So when the module is applied to cabins wider than the A330 (at 5.28m) all that is gained is additional aisle width.
Nov 23, 2018, 6:10 am
#718
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These new F developments need their own thread !!
Nov 23, 2018, 7:11 am
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Happy to assist. This sub topic now has its own thread.
Future BA First developments
Prospero
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Future BA First developments
Prospero
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Nov 23, 2018, 10:09 am
#720
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Happy to assist. This sub topic now has its own thread.
Future BA First developments
Prospero
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Future BA First developments
Prospero
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Alex [Cruz] explained his frustrations at getting new seats fitted which is down to delays by the seat manufacturers, not because BA won’t spend the money as some may have thought.