New Club World (Genuinely something new)
May 30, 2018, 9:08 am
#541
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: London
Programs: Mucci Grandee (Upgraded), BA Silver, AZ MilleMiglia
Posts: 3,107
“23 years ago we introduced the world’s first flat-bed business class seat – but the bad news is that we still have it”.
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23 years ago you introduced the world's first flat-bed first class seat. The first flat-bed business class seat was 18 years ago.
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23 years ago you introduced the world's first flat-bed first class seat. The first flat-bed business class seat was 18 years ago.
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May 30, 2018, 9:14 am
#542
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London
Programs: Mucci. Nothing else matters.
Posts: 38,644
Then the answer is to avoid being intellectually lazy, and to avoid making simplistic comparisons merely by using "standard measures" when they just don't work well in relation to configurations of these types; and instead to do some deeper thinking about issues like "2-4-2".
May 30, 2018, 9:20 am
#543
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold4life, ICH RA, Hyatt Gold and others
Posts: 701
I like the current layout in that I don't have to stick my lower legs and feet in a "box". Sleeping is so much easier with freedom of leg movement.
I don't want to sit with my back to the window
Direct aisle access is the real issue to be resolved, and adding a stagger to achieve direct aisle access would certainly improve the "staring at strangers" issue as well
Storage just needs a clever solution then, which might work on the 350XWB but not be achievable on retrofitting certain older frames.....
Whatever the outcome I HOPE they keep something that is "radically different" from the others who are in the main largely similar in concept.
Despite its age it is not a bad product and it doesn't become bad because there are more and more better products, it becomes, well, more different!!
And its certainly been a durable product, and bad products Don't last - just look at VS
I don't want to sit with my back to the window
Direct aisle access is the real issue to be resolved, and adding a stagger to achieve direct aisle access would certainly improve the "staring at strangers" issue as well
Storage just needs a clever solution then, which might work on the 350XWB but not be achievable on retrofitting certain older frames.....
Whatever the outcome I HOPE they keep something that is "radically different" from the others who are in the main largely similar in concept.
Despite its age it is not a bad product and it doesn't become bad because there are more and more better products, it becomes, well, more different!!
And its certainly been a durable product, and bad products Don't last - just look at VS
May 30, 2018, 9:56 am
#544
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: GLA
Programs: BAEC: Silver. Nothing else as TopCashBack trumps all hotel programs
Posts: 801
Then the answer is to avoid being intellectually lazy, and to avoid making simplistic comparisons merely by using "standard measures" when they just don't work well in relation to configurations of these types; and instead to do some deeper thinking about issues like "2-4-2".
For example. BA's 2-4-2 vs JL's 2-2-2.
Which do you think has more space for each PAX?
Of course, if you really want to defend BA (that you seem determined to do) and say that density left to right doesn't correlate to space available then you can find examples, and strange lines drawn across the cabin that show this in a convoluted way.
But on the whole, cabin layout correlates directly to density.
BA's 2-4-2 CW is one of the most densified business classes in the world. With some of the least seat, storage and personal space. Fact.
Whereas airlines with 1-2-1, 2-2-2 and even 2-3-2 mostly, all are on the whole perceived a better product.
May 30, 2018, 9:58 am
#545
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: GLA
Programs: BAEC: Silver. Nothing else as TopCashBack trumps all hotel programs
Posts: 801
May 30, 2018, 10:00 am
#546
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,246
My guess is a British version of QRs Qsuite for A350s, B773/Xs and the lower deck of A380s. The upper deck of A380s will get a modified Zodiac Cirrus seat to pack more in when the side storage bins are removed. This seat will also be installed on B787-10s.
May 30, 2018, 10:03 am
#547
Join Date: Apr 2015
Programs: Some
Posts: 5,256
I would suggest neither of these layouts are dense enough for BA (unless by modified Zodiac Cirrus you mean a similarly cramped configuration to AY).
May 30, 2018, 10:04 am
#548
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 100
I like the current layout in that I don't have to stick my lower legs and feet in a "box". Sleeping is so much easier with freedom of leg movement.
I don't want to sit with my back to the window
Direct aisle access is the real issue to be resolved, and adding a stagger to achieve direct aisle access would certainly improve the "staring at strangers" issue as well
Storage just needs a clever solution then, which might work on the 350XWB but not be achievable on retrofitting certain older frames.....
Whatever the outcome I HOPE they keep something that is "radically different" from the others who are in the main largely similar in concept.
Despite its age it is not a bad product and it doesn't become bad because there are more and more better products, it becomes, well, more different!!
And its certainly been a durable product, and bad products Don't last - just look at VS
I don't want to sit with my back to the window
Direct aisle access is the real issue to be resolved, and adding a stagger to achieve direct aisle access would certainly improve the "staring at strangers" issue as well
Storage just needs a clever solution then, which might work on the 350XWB but not be achievable on retrofitting certain older frames.....
Whatever the outcome I HOPE they keep something that is "radically different" from the others who are in the main largely similar in concept.
Despite its age it is not a bad product and it doesn't become bad because there are more and more better products, it becomes, well, more different!!
And its certainly been a durable product, and bad products Don't last - just look at VS
They should use the current first colour scheme maybe dropping the champagne colour for a soft silver shade cabin and you have a winner.
May 30, 2018, 10:09 am
#549
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Maidenhead, UK
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 443
I hope I can still face backwards. The other day I had a horrible short night flight to do in time for a short-notice morning meeting, but thanks to a backwards CW seat, got the best night's sleep ever on a plane and it reminded me how good it was compared to the 'feet in box' issue of others. The crew were sad I didn't try out the whole new menu thing (just a main) and I only grabbed the first blanket thing I found from the new White Company items, plus the huge pillow. A few minutes later I was out!
Storage was a bit tricky so as usual if it was a day flight I'd be piling things up by me on the seat.
Storage was a bit tricky so as usual if it was a day flight I'd be piling things up by me on the seat.
May 30, 2018, 10:36 am
#550
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,246
Seems dense enough https://www.ausbt.com.au/revealed-qa...rbus-a350-1000 with flloor area sharing.
May 30, 2018, 10:47 am
#551
Join Date: Apr 2015
Programs: Some
Posts: 5,256
Yes, the upper and lower decks of the A380 present different opportunities for maximising seat numbers.
Seems dense enough https://www.ausbt.com.au/revealed-qa...rbus-a350-1000 with flloor area sharing.
May 30, 2018, 10:47 am
#552
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: LHR, LGW
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 3,440
I guess the OP has been silenced or other, as there hasn’t been any new responses for sometime, so the seat design drawing at the beginning could be a yay or nay...
We continue the rumour mill
We continue the rumour mill
May 30, 2018, 10:50 am
#553
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 6,349
Because a row in 2-4-2 is roughly two rows in a typical 1-2-1... 1-2-1 seats are at a 45 degree angle. It’s simple math and geometry, not physics.
Refuting the tired 2-4-2 CW vs 1-2-1 cirrus seat argument
May 30, 2018, 10:55 am
#554
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London
Programs: Mucci. Nothing else matters.
Posts: 38,644
Would you be happier if BA renumbered the CW seat rows? That's a quick way to turn CW into a 1-2-1 configuration.
May 30, 2018, 11:35 am
#555
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: GLA
Programs: BAEC: Silver. Nothing else as TopCashBack trumps all hotel programs
Posts: 801