New LGW to SSH flights
Mar 19, 2015, 4:27 am
#77
Join Date: May 2007
Programs: BA Blue, EI Silver, Honours Gold, Marriott Gold
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Day 1: LGW-SSH-LGW - 13 hour duty
Day 2: LGW-BDA
Day 3/4: BDA-LGW - total duty for the BDA is 17 hrs 40 mins (I checked)
Day 5/6: days off.
By your reckoning, it's 29 hours in 7 days. The way it works in my head is 30 hour 40 mins in 4 days.
Anyways, all we're "entitled" to as far as breaks are concerned on the SSH is 20mins, which can be two lots of 10mins. If working at the front, one would have to go to the back galley to get some privacy, due to the lack of bulkhead at the front. I've said it before, but I really don't want to eat my meal whilst being watched by X amount of customers.
Day 2: LGW-BDA
Day 3/4: BDA-LGW - total duty for the BDA is 17 hrs 40 mins (I checked)
Day 5/6: days off.
By your reckoning, it's 29 hours in 7 days. The way it works in my head is 30 hour 40 mins in 4 days.
Anyways, all we're "entitled" to as far as breaks are concerned on the SSH is 20mins, which can be two lots of 10mins. If working at the front, one would have to go to the back galley to get some privacy, due to the lack of bulkhead at the front. I've said it before, but I really don't want to eat my meal whilst being watched by X amount of customers.
Its not at all uncommon for people to work between 4 and 7 13 hour night shifts, with varying amounts of time off afterwords. Im thinking of healthcare workers, factory workers. Im thinking of farmers in summertime, 7 days a week, 16 hour days.
Honestly, one 13 hour day (lets be honest here, a proportion of it will be spent in the galley jump seats, but on-duty) in 5 is hardly unreasonable. I don't get any additional rest at all for a single 12.5 hour day, or a nice trip to the Bahamas!
Mar 19, 2015, 4:29 am
#78
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,379
There are also many who wouldn't consider the occasional 13hr day at work to be especially arduous either - especially if they were getting an extra 30 for it (assuming the BA basic salary covers minimum wage?)!
Mar 19, 2015, 5:21 am
#79
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 597
For the record, I haven't asked for sympathy. I was asking for understanding and for people to be nice to the crew - which I'm sure most people on here would do.
In a previous life, I regularly worked 16 hour shifts, 5 or 6 days a week (before the rules changed). However, working as crew can be very tiring, if in a different way. I'm not saying that we should have a week off after one sector or anything silly like that!
I'll say it again: these flights for the crew will be hard going because of the many many complaints we'll get about the seats, legroom, lack of champagne/food/gin/beer etc, no IFE, lack of handluggage stowage. It's also a long day, with a short break (if that) for very little reward.
In a previous life, I regularly worked 16 hour shifts, 5 or 6 days a week (before the rules changed). However, working as crew can be very tiring, if in a different way. I'm not saying that we should have a week off after one sector or anything silly like that!
I'll say it again: these flights for the crew will be hard going because of the many many complaints we'll get about the seats, legroom, lack of champagne/food/gin/beer etc, no IFE, lack of handluggage stowage. It's also a long day, with a short break (if that) for very little reward.
Mar 19, 2015, 6:05 am
#80
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Sydney
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Posts: 47
Egypt scrapping visa on arrival for individuals
Well if the Egyptian government has it's way, tourist numbers to SSH may be on the decline.
Can't see that many holidaymakers going to the trouble of getting a visa in advance when there are so many similar, hassle-free alternatives.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...idual-tourists
...not sure if those booking flights with accommodation through BA Holidays/TA will be considered to be on 'package tours' for the purpose of the new visa rules, and thus exempt, but could still have a significant impact.
Can't see that many holidaymakers going to the trouble of getting a visa in advance when there are so many similar, hassle-free alternatives.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...idual-tourists
...not sure if those booking flights with accommodation through BA Holidays/TA will be considered to be on 'package tours' for the purpose of the new visa rules, and thus exempt, but could still have a significant impact.
Last edited by wjh5879; Mar 19, 2015 at 6:12 am Reason: Clarification
Mar 19, 2015, 6:19 am
#81
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Yorkshire
Programs: BA Gold & HH Silver
Posts: 1,471
I really can't feel very much sympathy, to be honest this seems like a decent work-life balance for crew. I get one 24 hour rest period after 4 12.5 hour night shifts, I am supposed to have up to an hour of "natural" rest breaks - that is no protected time whatsoever and as I am the only person around at night, breaks are far from guaranteed.
Its not at all uncommon for people to work between 4 and 7 13 hour night shifts, with varying amounts of time off afterwords. Im thinking of healthcare workers, factory workers. Im thinking of farmers in summertime, 7 days a week, 16 hour days.
Honestly, one 13 hour day (lets be honest here, a proportion of it will be spent in the galley jump seats, but on-duty) in 5 is hardly unreasonable. I don't get any additional rest at all for a single 12.5 hour day, or a nice trip to the Bahamas!
Its not at all uncommon for people to work between 4 and 7 13 hour night shifts, with varying amounts of time off afterwords. Im thinking of healthcare workers, factory workers. Im thinking of farmers in summertime, 7 days a week, 16 hour days.
Honestly, one 13 hour day (lets be honest here, a proportion of it will be spent in the galley jump seats, but on-duty) in 5 is hardly unreasonable. I don't get any additional rest at all for a single 12.5 hour day, or a nice trip to the Bahamas!
Mar 19, 2015, 7:01 am
#82
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Edinburgh
Programs: Still a lowly Blue with BA but inching towards Bronze. Managed to get to KLM Silver!
Posts: 4,310
Anyways, all we're "entitled" to as far as breaks are concerned on the SSH is 20mins, which can be two lots of 10mins. If working at the front, one would have to go to the back galley to get some privacy, due to the lack of bulkhead at the front. I've said it before, but I really don't want to eat my meal whilst being watched by X amount of customers.
Mar 19, 2015, 12:25 pm
#83
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Chelsea
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 1,228
For the record, I haven't asked for sympathy. I was asking for understanding and for people to be nice to the crew - which I'm sure most people on here would do.
In a previous life, I regularly worked 16 hour shifts, 5 or 6 days a week (before the rules changed). However, working as crew can be very tiring, if in a different way. I'm not saying that we should have a week off after one sector or anything silly like that!
I'll say it again: these flights for the crew will be hard going because of the many many complaints we'll get about the seats, legroom, lack of champagne/food/gin/beer etc, no IFE, lack of handluggage stowage. It's also a long day, with a short break (if that) for very little reward.
In a previous life, I regularly worked 16 hour shifts, 5 or 6 days a week (before the rules changed). However, working as crew can be very tiring, if in a different way. I'm not saying that we should have a week off after one sector or anything silly like that!
I'll say it again: these flights for the crew will be hard going because of the many many complaints we'll get about the seats, legroom, lack of champagne/food/gin/beer etc, no IFE, lack of handluggage stowage. It's also a long day, with a short break (if that) for very little reward.
Mar 19, 2015, 1:16 pm
#84
Join Date: May 2007
Programs: BA Blue, EI Silver, Honours Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 1,212
Nope, very much clinical and this is one of the better rest arrangements. Clinicians also have a further (non-paid, no protected time) commitment to audit, service improvement and appraisal.
My non-clinical colleagues are mostly 9-5, there are relatively few exceptions, other than Friday afternoons, which none in admin seems to work!
My non-clinical colleagues are mostly 9-5, there are relatively few exceptions, other than Friday afternoons, which none in admin seems to work!
Mar 19, 2015, 2:09 pm
#85
Join Date: Sep 2011
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 148
I used to a be a nurse. Flying is much more strenuous on the body, it's often said that an hour on the ground is worth two in the air. Add the time changes into the bag and it's not always fun. Flying is completely different to working in an office or a hospital. Of course every job has good and bad points but flying is hard on the body.
Mar 20, 2015, 5:50 am
#86
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold, Subcard
Posts: 435
I would have thought a Qatar style configured A320 would be classed as a suitable product. IFE for all customers and comfortable/spacious recliners/flat beds in J. Seems to work well on their 4-6 Hour routes. You might actually get people willing to pay for CE (on this route) and then provides some differentiation from the low cost carriers in ET.
This would of course be putting the customer first. Sadly its going to be a case of cramming as many in as possible, I'm sure the free drinks will make it all worth it for paying customers.
This would of course be putting the customer first. Sadly its going to be a case of cramming as many in as possible, I'm sure the free drinks will make it all worth it for paying customers.
Jul 8, 2015, 4:57 pm
#87
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London Stratford, E7
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Got that dreaded text and email today to advise change of times on SSH route. Now leaving Gatwick at 0900 arriving SSH 1620 returning 1710 arriving back into Gatwick at 2055 an hour later than originally ?scheduled. A lie in for the crew but less time before their BDA duties the following day ?
Jul 8, 2015, 5:59 pm
#88
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: London
Programs: BA LTGold; LH Senator; HHGold; Bonvoy Plat
Posts: 1,370
Got that dreaded text and email today to advise change of times on SSH route. Now leaving Gatwick at 0900 arriving SSH 1620 returning 1710 arriving back into Gatwick at 2055 an hour later than originally ?scheduled. A lie in for the crew but less time before their BDA duties the following day ?