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LHR charges for the cost of this screening to the passengers. For example, if you transited LHR on a round-trip in economy class from the US, you paid GBP 54.39 (USD 83.10) for this (on the ticket under tax/fee "UB").
EU Regulations state that "transfer passengers and their cabin baggage may be exempted from screening, if: (a) they arrive from a Member State [...] or (b) they arrive from a third country where the security standards applied are recognised as equivalent to the common basic standards [...] [E.g. the USA]"
SECURITY CONTROL both ways:
NO SECURITY CONTROL either way (Schengen to USA or v.v.):
NO SECURITY CONTROL from Schengen to USA (control on the way back from USA to Schengen):
EU Regulations state that "transfer passengers and their cabin baggage may be exempted from screening, if: (a) they arrive from a Member State [...] or (b) they arrive from a third country where the security standards applied are recognised as equivalent to the common basic standards [...] [E.g. the USA]"
Security control when connecting between USA and Schengen flights (European airports competing for LHR traffic)
SECURITY CONTROL both ways:
- LHR
NO SECURITY CONTROL either way (Schengen to USA or v.v.):
- FRA (A/Z-gates only) [Lufthansa hub]
- MUC [Lufthansa hub]
- AMS (from mid 2015 when reconstruction works finish) [KLM hub]
- HEL
- ZRH [SWISS hub]
- CPH
NO SECURITY CONTROL from Schengen to USA (control on the way back from USA to Schengen):
- VIE
- WAW
- ARN
- OSL
T5 security is a total disaster! [inc Fast Track issues]
#181
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With this thread generating the anticipated complaints, and the separate "Tug" Thread, I would hope that some of the LHR T5 fan-boys will pop in soon to tell us that it's actually a WONDERFUL airport, and far better than anything Johnny Foreigner has. Just for balance, you understand
SWMBO was stuck in Fast Track yesterday, btw...
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In normal circumstances that should be OK. The events mentioned here are not routine. 45 to 60 minutes is needed for the transfer, and if going to HKG then normally the Flight Connections will be quiet at that time in the evening. It doesn't matter so much if she is on one ticket, BA will if necessary rebook her on to the next flight should she miss her original service. If it is 2 tickets, or is unable to through check luggage, then I would allow more time.
#183
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Surprised no one has posted: T5 security is a total disaster!
Fast track this morning at t5 a joke. Slow, extra rude and much more invasive than normal. Perhaps there has been a credible reason for them to step up their efforts? Either missing something they shouldn't in a test exercise or on the advice of the govt?
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In normal circumstances that should be OK. The events mentioned here are not routine. 45 to 60 minutes is needed for the transfer, and if going to HKG then normally the Flight Connections will be quiet at that time in the evening. It doesn't matter so much if she is on one ticket, BA will if necessary rebook her on to the next flight should she miss her original service. If it is 2 tickets, or is unable to through check luggage, then I would allow more time.
#185
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I can't emphasize enough how important it is that we all send in complaints and demand a compensatory gesture when we are inconvenienced by security wait times and rude staff. This is part of the BA product, period, especially the advertised benefit of fast track. A reasonable person would expect something called fast track to be minimal hassle....five minutes or less.
It's not about padding our Avios balances, but creating a noticeable line on BA's accounts spreadsheet. A hundred million Avios or two ex-gratia will get their attention. Complain EVERY time, and keep following up until they give you something. This is the only way this will get fixed.
It's not about padding our Avios balances, but creating a noticeable line on BA's accounts spreadsheet. A hundred million Avios or two ex-gratia will get their attention. Complain EVERY time, and keep following up until they give you something. This is the only way this will get fixed.
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I can't emphasize enough how important it is that we all send in complaints and demand a compensatory gesture when we are inconvenienced by security wait times and rude staff. This is part of the BA product, period, especially the advertised benefit of fast track. A reasonable person would expect something called fast track to be minimal hassle....five minutes or less.
It's not about padding our Avios balances, but creating a noticeable line on BA's accounts spreadsheet. A hundred million Avios or two ex-gratia will get their attention. Complain EVERY time, and keep following up until they give you something. This is the only way this will get fixed.
It's not about padding our Avios balances, but creating a noticeable line on BA's accounts spreadsheet. A hundred million Avios or two ex-gratia will get their attention. Complain EVERY time, and keep following up until they give you something. This is the only way this will get fixed.
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I assume WW and James (Bullshot) Hillier have separate Security arrangements. It would be wonderful to have them go through the experience with you.
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I am a bit late to this discussion, but don't you all think that at the first and at each and every subsequent training session given to Security/HAL staff, the following are repeated and repeated ad nauseam.....
1. YOU do not want to be the security officer responsible for letting a Terrorist beyond security.
2. YOU do not want to be the security officer responsible for allowing an explosive device etc. through security.
3. 100% care and attention at all times. The bag you rush is the bag that blows
4. Queues, lines, missed conformance, missed flights, DYKWIA's are not YOUR problem...
etc. etc. etc...... No wonder they don't care. They are told not to care.
The Sunday before last as I really struggled to get to my LAX connection, made only with the benefit of the orange express pass and the knowledge imparted on this board that there is an elevator just a little beyond the escalators, the baggage screener guy would analyse his screen and the bag shown thereon, then get up from his seat, walk 5 or 10 paces in an oval, then sit down and screen the next bag....AAAAnd repeat and repeat......
1. YOU do not want to be the security officer responsible for letting a Terrorist beyond security.
2. YOU do not want to be the security officer responsible for allowing an explosive device etc. through security.
3. 100% care and attention at all times. The bag you rush is the bag that blows
4. Queues, lines, missed conformance, missed flights, DYKWIA's are not YOUR problem...
etc. etc. etc...... No wonder they don't care. They are told not to care.
The Sunday before last as I really struggled to get to my LAX connection, made only with the benefit of the orange express pass and the knowledge imparted on this board that there is an elevator just a little beyond the escalators, the baggage screener guy would analyse his screen and the bag shown thereon, then get up from his seat, walk 5 or 10 paces in an oval, then sit down and screen the next bag....AAAAnd repeat and repeat......
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#189
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I arrived T5 yesterday at about 1430, and noticed a couple of things that were different:
1. They had the queue management barriers/tape around the desks for bag drop etc. (zones G and E); I'm still BAEC Blue so had to use one of of those bag drops. I did observe the queue in zone E was much shorter than zone G, so total wait time from joining the queue to bag dropped was < 5 minutes. Haven't seen those barriers before - guess they are getting ready for the Xmas rush
2. Security was definitely busier, but even given that I went from back of the queue to airside in about 12 minutes which wasn't bad. I did notice a bigger than normal backlog at the security points - seemed to me it was taking much longer to x-ray carry-on baggage than it was to get pax throug the metal detectors..
1. They had the queue management barriers/tape around the desks for bag drop etc. (zones G and E); I'm still BAEC Blue so had to use one of of those bag drops. I did observe the queue in zone E was much shorter than zone G, so total wait time from joining the queue to bag dropped was < 5 minutes. Haven't seen those barriers before - guess they are getting ready for the Xmas rush
2. Security was definitely busier, but even given that I went from back of the queue to airside in about 12 minutes which wasn't bad. I did notice a bigger than normal backlog at the security points - seemed to me it was taking much longer to x-ray carry-on baggage than it was to get pax throug the metal detectors..
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Originally the scan was as you entered the security area, i.e. the first set of manned scans near where you drop off liquids, sharps etc. I noticed a few weeks/months back a second set of boarding pass scanners just before the x-ray machines and metal detector arches. I've never bothered with them, ignoring them in effect as my B'card has already been scanned by HAL, however Mrs CC said she was told she had to scan again or wouldn't be let through. Have the goal posts, so to speak, been moved down what is now a very long queue. That's to say, you have got to get to the second scanner 35mins before departure or else. the second scanner the conformance scan point. Looking at this picture, you'd be hard pressed to manage.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BHDATC
On Sunday lunchtime the queues were 100+ outside the security entrance also. 40 mins to reach scanners. Quite awful.
How does that then work with conformance?
Originally the scan was as you entered the security area, i.e. the first set of scans near where ou drop of liquids, sharps etc. I noticed a few weeks/months back a second set of boarding pass scanners just before the x-ray machines and metal detector arches. I've never bothered with them, ignoring then in effect as my B'card has already been scanned by HAL, have but Mrs CC said she was told she had to scan again or wouldn't be let through. Have the goal posts, so to speak been moved down what is now a very long queue. That's to say, you have to get to the second scanner 35mins before departure or else. Looking at this picture, you'd be hard pressed to manage.
Originally Posted by BHDATC
On Sunday lunchtime the queues were 100+ outside the security entrance also. 40 mins to reach scanners. Quite awful.
How does that then work with conformance?
Originally the scan was as you entered the security area, i.e. the first set of scans near where ou drop of liquids, sharps etc. I noticed a few weeks/months back a second set of boarding pass scanners just before the x-ray machines and metal detector arches. I've never bothered with them, ignoring then in effect as my B'card has already been scanned by HAL, have but Mrs CC said she was told she had to scan again or wouldn't be let through. Have the goal posts, so to speak been moved down what is now a very long queue. That's to say, you have to get to the second scanner 35mins before departure or else. Looking at this picture, you'd be hard pressed to manage.
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Reply from HAL
Dear Mattyb44,
Thank you for your email. I'm sorry to hear you experienced longer than usual wait times in security screening. I know this must have been very frustrating, and I appreciate you bringing this to our attention.
We try to gauge how many passengers will pass through security screening at any one time, and make every effort to have enough staff on hand to keep wait times at a minimum. Regardless, I can understand that your experience was not in line with the level of service you expected from us.
I will pass on your comments to our operations team. Please be assured that feedback such as yours goes a long way in helping us identify areas of service we need to improve.
Thank you again for taking the time to contact us. I hope we can restore your confidence on future visits to our Heathrow.
Yours sincerely,
[Name redacted]
Passenger Communications
Dear Mattyb44,
Thank you for your email. I'm sorry to hear you experienced longer than usual wait times in security screening. I know this must have been very frustrating, and I appreciate you bringing this to our attention.
We try to gauge how many passengers will pass through security screening at any one time, and make every effort to have enough staff on hand to keep wait times at a minimum. Regardless, I can understand that your experience was not in line with the level of service you expected from us.
I will pass on your comments to our operations team. Please be assured that feedback such as yours goes a long way in helping us identify areas of service we need to improve.
Thank you again for taking the time to contact us. I hope we can restore your confidence on future visits to our Heathrow.
Yours sincerely,
[Name redacted]
Passenger Communications
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