TP Run without Passport
#46
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Er.. No it's not. There is not a war on, so no need to have an ID card. No way am I trusting my details to the incompetent loons in charge now and god knows who else who will be able to access my data. A Passport is suffice enough and I will always have a choice about getting one of them.
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U. Terped, A.N.T.
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Once I had two valid passports, due to a visit to Israel in late spring and two months later to a neighbouring country, not accepting pax with Israeli passport stamps.
But, wasn't this thread about a TP run??
But, wasn't this thread about a TP run??
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Yawn. The problem is not ID cards, it's data hungry government. So where's the outcry about CCTV and face recognition software? As long as the ID card has the same data as the passport, it's just a machine washable second passport for travel in Europe. As for "trusting incompetent loons" - you do trust them with your passport data, don't you? And I did trust video stores (remember them?) with my gas bill, so I could "prove" where I lived.
I didn't know that you could get a second passport I doubt I'll ever have use for one but helpful to know just in case.
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Thanks Silver Fox.
Couldn't care less about the government being datahungry, if there were (a) a means of oversight that worked, (b) data was accurate, (c) data was secure, and (d) it lead to some real efficiency.
Therein lies the problem. They would prefer to build one big database (causing all manner of problems across multiple government services when entries are inaccurate) rather than allowing effective, efficient, organic evolution of data across departments that actually need it.
The fallacy is that they want us to believe that there is someone who can do something with all that data which will in some way protect us, when in actual fact they couldn't differentiate between their rear and their elbow, let alone provide some integrated solution with clear benefits. Not to mention - do you really think the departments that presently collate data will have their systems wound down once a new central database exists? Of course not. There are public sector jobs involved, so inefficiency reigns.
You don't need to be either right or left of centre to see if for the inefficient monster that it will become.
I lead the thread very OT....
Yawn. The problem is not ID cards, it's data hungry government. So where's the outcry about CCTV and face recognition software? As long as the ID card has the same data as the passport, it's just a machine washable second passport for travel in Europe.
Therein lies the problem. They would prefer to build one big database (causing all manner of problems across multiple government services when entries are inaccurate) rather than allowing effective, efficient, organic evolution of data across departments that actually need it.
The fallacy is that they want us to believe that there is someone who can do something with all that data which will in some way protect us, when in actual fact they couldn't differentiate between their rear and their elbow, let alone provide some integrated solution with clear benefits. Not to mention - do you really think the departments that presently collate data will have their systems wound down once a new central database exists? Of course not. There are public sector jobs involved, so inefficiency reigns.
You don't need to be either right or left of centre to see if for the inefficient monster that it will become.
I lead the thread very OT....
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Many BN(O)s who become BCs lost their BN(O) status in the process of becoming BC. However, many did not (depending on how they become BC). Those people are eligible to hold both BC and BN(O) passports (at the same time, if they so choose).