Pajama etiquette
Sep 2, 2003 | 4:08 am
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Pajama etiquette
Now dont' laugh at this!
and yes, I've done a complete search on PJ's for my upcoming trip, but I wanted to ask a question.
I am about 6"3 and 240 lbs. So, I am highly doubtful any average pajamas (even large) would fit me, SO, what are my options?
Would it be tasteless to venture into the lav and change into a pair of shorts and t shirt? Im talking proper almost 'to the knee' shorts that would be suitable on the beach and nothing too daring.
Does almost everyone change into something? (Im leaving from the West Coast) and if they don't, is that sort of on oddball feeling? (I'd assume much rumpling of clothes would take place sleeping on the beds).
any advice?
and yes, I've done a complete search on PJ's for my upcoming trip, but I wanted to ask a question.
I am about 6"3 and 240 lbs. So, I am highly doubtful any average pajamas (even large) would fit me, SO, what are my options?
Would it be tasteless to venture into the lav and change into a pair of shorts and t shirt? Im talking proper almost 'to the knee' shorts that would be suitable on the beach and nothing too daring.
Does almost everyone change into something? (Im leaving from the West Coast) and if they don't, is that sort of on oddball feeling? (I'd assume much rumpling of clothes would take place sleeping on the beds).
any advice?
Sep 2, 2003 | 4:13 am
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I'm 6" 1' and around 230lbs and the large PJ's fit me. Two other BA board regulars who are built for comfort and not speed have also said the PJ's fit them. If you find they are too tight then I suggest you change in to what ever you feel comfortable wearing.
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Sep 2, 2003 | 4:35 am
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I'm more than 240 lbs and the sleeper suits fit me just fine. Of course that is assuming you can get one of them... on two recent 'day flights' I have been initially denied a sleeper-suit, on a trip to New York they eventually relented after lying that there were none on the plane - then another FA giving one to Sim!
On another trip I was forced to unpack my luggage and extract a pair of shorts and a Rugby Shirt.
If anyone from BA is listening to this, I would like to say it is bloody discusting, we pay a fortune for those tickets and the price doesn't change if it is day or night, so why should the service. You shouldn't put your cabin crew in a position where they become the brunt of passenger complaints, and you shouldn't advertise that you provide sleeper-suits when half the time you don't and finally it is up to me to decide if I want to sleep or not, you shouldn't be so presumptious as to decide if I am going to sleep or not.
The fact that at a time when other carriers are improving their premium services(mentioning no names), BA don't seem to have learnt the lessons from their earlier attempts to dumb-down their First service.
On another trip I was forced to unpack my luggage and extract a pair of shorts and a Rugby Shirt.
If anyone from BA is listening to this, I would like to say it is bloody discusting, we pay a fortune for those tickets and the price doesn't change if it is day or night, so why should the service. You shouldn't put your cabin crew in a position where they become the brunt of passenger complaints, and you shouldn't advertise that you provide sleeper-suits when half the time you don't and finally it is up to me to decide if I want to sleep or not, you shouldn't be so presumptious as to decide if I am going to sleep or not.
The fact that at a time when other carriers are improving their premium services(mentioning no names), BA don't seem to have learnt the lessons from their earlier attempts to dumb-down their First service.
Sep 2, 2003 | 5:21 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Merry:
The fact that at a time when other carriers are improving their premium services(mentioning no names), BA don't seem to have learnt the lessons from their earlier attempts to dumb-down their First service. </font>
The fact that at a time when other carriers are improving their premium services(mentioning no names), BA don't seem to have learnt the lessons from their earlier attempts to dumb-down their First service. </font>
Last week out of YYZ, Krug "wasn't loaded", and Piper was on offer instead.
I'm not sure if this was an isolated incident, or if F is indeed being further dumbed down?
A thought: as I was alone up there, maybe they didn't want to open a bottle for just 1 person?
Edited to add final thought
[This message has been edited by Kiltboys (edited 09-02-2003).]
Sep 2, 2003 | 5:28 am
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Since Krug was brought back it is Krug or Piper.
Based on my recent experience it is Krug about 20% of the time and Piper the remainder.
Not that I consider this a major issue, by the way.
However, one observation - and I think this is pur coincidence - but on several First flights recently the cabin has been full with over 50% being upgrades (before anyone asks how I now this, just trust me I do), these have been the flights with Piper. On flights where the cabin is not full, we have had Krug.
Again, I am positive this is just coincidence, but Sim is beggining to believe his taste for Krug is being penalised by upgrades. One to watch maybe....
Based on my recent experience it is Krug about 20% of the time and Piper the remainder.
Not that I consider this a major issue, by the way.
However, one observation - and I think this is pur coincidence - but on several First flights recently the cabin has been full with over 50% being upgrades (before anyone asks how I now this, just trust me I do), these have been the flights with Piper. On flights where the cabin is not full, we have had Krug.
Again, I am positive this is just coincidence, but Sim is beggining to believe his taste for Krug is being penalised by upgrades. One to watch maybe....
Sep 2, 2003 | 5:31 am
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It is being dumbed down in terms of champers IMO.
We flew first LHR-JFK a week ago last Sat. only piper in the concorde room and piper in the first cabin. (Although both times they popped a bottle for a single glass (or two)).
Return last Friday on concorde, only piper in lounge and plane.
Given that I will never likely pay the necessary for a bottle I was looking forward to a sip. Never mind, the service from ALL of the crews (even on the connecting flights) made up for it.
We flew first LHR-JFK a week ago last Sat. only piper in the concorde room and piper in the first cabin. (Although both times they popped a bottle for a single glass (or two)).
Return last Friday on concorde, only piper in lounge and plane.
Given that I will never likely pay the necessary for a bottle I was looking forward to a sip. Never mind, the service from ALL of the crews (even on the connecting flights) made up for it.
Sep 2, 2003 | 6:12 am
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Have never flown BA in First (fortunately, I am already spoilt enough ;-) ).
However, when in BA Club World, I always take my own PJs to change into: they are cool and comfortable and really help me to be as comfortable as possible and get the best possible sleep. So, in Club World, I tend to be in the minority: it doesn't bother me, since being comfortable to sleep is what is important to me.
So, I suggest that you wear whatever makes you most comfortable. If you would rather wear clothes, then stay in your clothes. If you would rather wear shorts and t-shirt, then take those (if they don't take up much space might be a good idea to take them anyway, just in case you don't find the BA PJs comfortable). This suggestion does not extend to sleeping in the nude ;-)
Have a great trip and a good sleep :-)
Boo
However, when in BA Club World, I always take my own PJs to change into: they are cool and comfortable and really help me to be as comfortable as possible and get the best possible sleep. So, in Club World, I tend to be in the minority: it doesn't bother me, since being comfortable to sleep is what is important to me.
So, I suggest that you wear whatever makes you most comfortable. If you would rather wear clothes, then stay in your clothes. If you would rather wear shorts and t-shirt, then take those (if they don't take up much space might be a good idea to take them anyway, just in case you don't find the BA PJs comfortable). This suggestion does not extend to sleeping in the nude ;-)
Have a great trip and a good sleep :-)
Boo
Sep 2, 2003 | 6:14 am
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Pyjamas: I'm also far from petit and they are a loose & baggy fit.
Krug: Have been lucky it seems, because all flights I've been on recently have carried enough to bathe in - and I've drunk enough to do so (see point 1 above). In any case, it's not even that expensive and purchased duty free and in vast quantity it should not be a consideration against ticket price.
Now, back to the romper suit and glass of 'poo...
Krug: Have been lucky it seems, because all flights I've been on recently have carried enough to bathe in - and I've drunk enough to do so (see point 1 above). In any case, it's not even that expensive and purchased duty free and in vast quantity it should not be a consideration against ticket price.
Now, back to the romper suit and glass of 'poo...
Sep 2, 2003 | 6:55 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Merry:
I'm more than 240 lbs
How tall are you Angel?
they eventually relented after lying that there were none on the plane - then another FA giving one to Sim!
You do realise that this came out of the "homeward" stock? Imagine that this was you wanting one at night and I told you that this Hunky Chunky 240lb flatulent male demanded one?
On another trip I was forced to unpack my luggage and extract a pair of shorts and a Rugby Shirt.
That I would have given up a night with Ant and Dec or any twenty-anything to have seen.
If anyone from BA is listening to this
Pucci Galore at your service Your Majesty
I would like to say it is bloody disgusting, we pay a fortune for those tickets
You do as you usually buy two of them
and the price doesn't change if it is day or night, so why should the service.
I love you most when you are you are being belligerent
You shouldn't put your cabin crew in a position where they become the brunt of passenger complaints,
Were that the case, my Love, I could hand out surveys, gossip with the crew at our interminable tea parties as that charming man once wrote here (actually they are cocktail parties but don't tell Skippy, Joy, or the CAA there's a love.), get the Telegraph crossword finished and do my nails (maybe with your wonderful connections you could have them bring a nail technician on for the crew? or indeed the pax? Strumpet Air have masseuses I'm told)
and you shouldn't advertise that you provide sleeper-suits when half the time you don't and finally it is up to me to decide if I want to sleep or not, you shouldn't be so presumptious as to decide if I am going to sleep or not.
Dearest, that is the "Merriest" diatribe in yonks. I have missed you.
To stop being frivilous for one moment, I for one am going to raise some of the topics again. The trouble my Love is that they always say "our Research tells us" and hide behind that. All I would say is that if it is loaded, and if it is available - you should have it. Not just you - anyone. I suspect that the crew fell in love with Sim! I agree. I think that this Dining in the Lounge is everything and nothing. Why at night and not by day - they just assume that when the flight is in the hours of darkness the majority of passengers will want a kip. I could not agree more - on the LAX as the person who posted this thread (after 5 posts already - see what I mean) mentioned loads go to sleep on the way out as the flight runs into the sort of time when loads of people would go to sleep anyway.
Yes, I had a wonderful holiday, thank you. Whilst we are obviously still in silly season (etiquette I ask you!) you can guess whether I am suntanned all over or not.
How was SFO? Does this mean that you are back for good?
The fact that at a time when other carriers are improving their premium services(mentioning no names), BA don't seem to have learnt the lessons from their earlier attempts to dumb-down their First service. [/B]</font>
I'm more than 240 lbs
How tall are you Angel?
they eventually relented after lying that there were none on the plane - then another FA giving one to Sim!
You do realise that this came out of the "homeward" stock? Imagine that this was you wanting one at night and I told you that this Hunky Chunky 240lb flatulent male demanded one?
On another trip I was forced to unpack my luggage and extract a pair of shorts and a Rugby Shirt.
That I would have given up a night with Ant and Dec or any twenty-anything to have seen.
If anyone from BA is listening to this
Pucci Galore at your service Your Majesty
I would like to say it is bloody disgusting, we pay a fortune for those tickets
You do as you usually buy two of them
and the price doesn't change if it is day or night, so why should the service.
I love you most when you are you are being belligerent
You shouldn't put your cabin crew in a position where they become the brunt of passenger complaints,
Were that the case, my Love, I could hand out surveys, gossip with the crew at our interminable tea parties as that charming man once wrote here (actually they are cocktail parties but don't tell Skippy, Joy, or the CAA there's a love.), get the Telegraph crossword finished and do my nails (maybe with your wonderful connections you could have them bring a nail technician on for the crew? or indeed the pax? Strumpet Air have masseuses I'm told)
and you shouldn't advertise that you provide sleeper-suits when half the time you don't and finally it is up to me to decide if I want to sleep or not, you shouldn't be so presumptious as to decide if I am going to sleep or not.
Dearest, that is the "Merriest" diatribe in yonks. I have missed you.
To stop being frivilous for one moment, I for one am going to raise some of the topics again. The trouble my Love is that they always say "our Research tells us" and hide behind that. All I would say is that if it is loaded, and if it is available - you should have it. Not just you - anyone. I suspect that the crew fell in love with Sim! I agree. I think that this Dining in the Lounge is everything and nothing. Why at night and not by day - they just assume that when the flight is in the hours of darkness the majority of passengers will want a kip. I could not agree more - on the LAX as the person who posted this thread (after 5 posts already - see what I mean) mentioned loads go to sleep on the way out as the flight runs into the sort of time when loads of people would go to sleep anyway.
Yes, I had a wonderful holiday, thank you. Whilst we are obviously still in silly season (etiquette I ask you!) you can guess whether I am suntanned all over or not.
How was SFO? Does this mean that you are back for good?
The fact that at a time when other carriers are improving their premium services(mentioning no names), BA don't seem to have learnt the lessons from their earlier attempts to dumb-down their First service. [/B]</font>
Sep 2, 2003 | 7:24 am
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I also miss Krug - not a drop during recent flights or at BA's lounges. On Concorde they served Alfred Gratin champagne which I prefer to Piper Heidsieck Rare (less bubbles, more intensive taste). But Krug is much better.
Forgot to add: on my flights (4 - 5 hours) no problem any time to get PJs for the daylight sectors and their sizes ARE generous (I never thought I still would fit into a medium and I have not yet shrinked...)
Cheers.
[This message has been edited by juan516 (edited 09-02-2003).]
Forgot to add: on my flights (4 - 5 hours) no problem any time to get PJs for the daylight sectors and their sizes ARE generous (I never thought I still would fit into a medium and I have not yet shrinked...)
Cheers.
[This message has been edited by juan516 (edited 09-02-2003).]
Sep 2, 2003 | 7:28 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kincaid:
Does almost everyone change into something? (Im leaving from the West Coast) and if they don't, is that sort of on oddball feeling? (I'd assume much rumpling of clothes would take place sleeping on the beds).
any advice?</font>
Does almost everyone change into something? (Im leaving from the West Coast) and if they don't, is that sort of on oddball feeling? (I'd assume much rumpling of clothes would take place sleeping on the beds).
any advice?</font>
So I imagine on the West Coast flights, even more would do so. If you're concerned about the fit, just bring something you'll be comfortable in.
Sep 2, 2003 | 7:34 am
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Oh Puc's, I think the dark forces at Compass maximum security brain-washing camp may be getting to you.
Now listen (I hate it when people say that), let us first deal with the important business of PJ's.
[QUOTE]
"I'm more than 240 lbs
How tall are you Angel?"
I refuse to be measured in terms of 'how tall I am'. How short are you is more to the point.
"they eventually relented after lying that there were none on the plane - then another FA giving one to Sim!
You do realise that this came out of the "homeward" stock? Imagine that this was you wanting one at night and I told you that this Hunky Chunky 240lb flatulent male demanded one?"
Of course I know that, I would have gone and nicked one from the gray bag above 1K if they had told me the truth - but the point is they lied. Not a mistake, the question was repeated several times, they lied.
"On another trip I was forced to unpack my luggage and extract a pair of shorts and a Rugby Shirt.
That I would have given up a night with Ant and Dec or any twenty-anything to have seen."
You woudln't need to see, you could hear me complaining all they way back in the land of gold sling-backs.
Ant and Dec... are you mad. Take a look here and choose something decent:
www.sexy-guys.co.uk
"If anyone from BA is listening to this
Pucci Galore at your service Your Majesty"
I mean someone who will call me and ask for forgiveness.
"I would like to say it is bloody disgusting, we pay a fortune for those tickets
You do as you usually buy two of them."
Well 'buy' may be stretching the reality of the transaction somewhat.
"and the price doesn't change if it is day or night, so why should the service.
I love you most when you are you are being belligerent"
Using a big word doesn't detract from the fact that it is wrong. Have you been on secondement in BA Customer Services? Test yourself, try writing "I am sorry", if you can write it you are still OK... if it comes out as "please accept this ex-gratia payment without any admission of liability" they have got to you.
"You shouldn't put your cabin crew in a position where they become the brunt of passenger complaints,
Were that the case, my Love, I could hand out surveys, gossip with the crew at our interminable tea parties as that charming man once wrote here (actually they are cocktail parties but don't tell Skippy, Joy, or the CAA there's a love.), get the Telegraph crossword finished and do my nails (maybe with your wonderful connections you could have them bring a nail technician on for the crew? or indeed the pax? Strumpet Air have masseuses I'm told)"
Bloody surveys. Waste of time, the cabin crew always give them to the people they have befriended and they don't ask the good questions anyway... "Do you have any comments about the service you have recieved" and how big is the space - one line. The most important question they can ask and they give you one line!
"and you shouldn't advertise that you provide sleeper-suits when half the time you don't and finally it is up to me to decide if I want to sleep or not, you shouldn't be so presumptious as to decide if I am going to sleep or not.
Dearest, that is the "Merriest" diatribe in yonks. I have missed you."
Yeh well, your loss is Club Airways and Emirates gain.
"To stop being frivilous for one moment, I for one am going to raise some of the topics again. The trouble my Love is that they always say "our Research tells us" and hide behind that. All I would say is that if it is loaded, and if it is available - you should have it. Not just you - anyone. I suspect that the crew fell in love with Sim! I agree. I think that this Dining in the Lounge is everything and nothing. Why at night and not by day - they just assume that when the flight is in the hours of darkness the majority of passengers will want a kip. I could not agree more - on the LAX as the person who posted this thread (after 5 posts already - see what I mean) mentioned loads go to sleep on the way out as the flight runs into the sort of time when loads of people would go to sleep anyway."
Of course they love Sim. It's like having a pedigree puppy, everyone loves it but no-one knows how much effort you have put into house training it, and how much excrement it leaves around.
"Yes, I had a wonderful holiday, thank you. Whilst we are obviously still in silly season (etiquette I ask you!) you can guess whether I am suntanned all over or not."
Glad to hear about the hols.
"How was SFO? Does this mean that you are back for good?"
We are off to Brussels at 4pm, then Vienna for a couple of days and next week Rome.
"The fact that at a time when other carriers are improving their premium services(mentioning no names), BA don't seem to have learnt the lessons from their earlier attempts to dumb-down their First service."
Ha! Couldn't think of anything smarmy there could you!
I win! I win!
[This message has been edited by Merry (edited 09-02-2003).]
Now listen (I hate it when people say that), let us first deal with the important business of PJ's.
[QUOTE]
"I'm more than 240 lbs
How tall are you Angel?"
I refuse to be measured in terms of 'how tall I am'. How short are you is more to the point.
"they eventually relented after lying that there were none on the plane - then another FA giving one to Sim!
You do realise that this came out of the "homeward" stock? Imagine that this was you wanting one at night and I told you that this Hunky Chunky 240lb flatulent male demanded one?"
Of course I know that, I would have gone and nicked one from the gray bag above 1K if they had told me the truth - but the point is they lied. Not a mistake, the question was repeated several times, they lied.
"On another trip I was forced to unpack my luggage and extract a pair of shorts and a Rugby Shirt.
That I would have given up a night with Ant and Dec or any twenty-anything to have seen."
You woudln't need to see, you could hear me complaining all they way back in the land of gold sling-backs.
Ant and Dec... are you mad. Take a look here and choose something decent:
www.sexy-guys.co.uk
"If anyone from BA is listening to this
Pucci Galore at your service Your Majesty"
I mean someone who will call me and ask for forgiveness.
"I would like to say it is bloody disgusting, we pay a fortune for those tickets
You do as you usually buy two of them."
Well 'buy' may be stretching the reality of the transaction somewhat.
"and the price doesn't change if it is day or night, so why should the service.
I love you most when you are you are being belligerent"
Using a big word doesn't detract from the fact that it is wrong. Have you been on secondement in BA Customer Services? Test yourself, try writing "I am sorry", if you can write it you are still OK... if it comes out as "please accept this ex-gratia payment without any admission of liability" they have got to you.
"You shouldn't put your cabin crew in a position where they become the brunt of passenger complaints,
Were that the case, my Love, I could hand out surveys, gossip with the crew at our interminable tea parties as that charming man once wrote here (actually they are cocktail parties but don't tell Skippy, Joy, or the CAA there's a love.), get the Telegraph crossword finished and do my nails (maybe with your wonderful connections you could have them bring a nail technician on for the crew? or indeed the pax? Strumpet Air have masseuses I'm told)"
Bloody surveys. Waste of time, the cabin crew always give them to the people they have befriended and they don't ask the good questions anyway... "Do you have any comments about the service you have recieved" and how big is the space - one line. The most important question they can ask and they give you one line!
"and you shouldn't advertise that you provide sleeper-suits when half the time you don't and finally it is up to me to decide if I want to sleep or not, you shouldn't be so presumptious as to decide if I am going to sleep or not.
Dearest, that is the "Merriest" diatribe in yonks. I have missed you."
Yeh well, your loss is Club Airways and Emirates gain.
"To stop being frivilous for one moment, I for one am going to raise some of the topics again. The trouble my Love is that they always say "our Research tells us" and hide behind that. All I would say is that if it is loaded, and if it is available - you should have it. Not just you - anyone. I suspect that the crew fell in love with Sim! I agree. I think that this Dining in the Lounge is everything and nothing. Why at night and not by day - they just assume that when the flight is in the hours of darkness the majority of passengers will want a kip. I could not agree more - on the LAX as the person who posted this thread (after 5 posts already - see what I mean) mentioned loads go to sleep on the way out as the flight runs into the sort of time when loads of people would go to sleep anyway."
Of course they love Sim. It's like having a pedigree puppy, everyone loves it but no-one knows how much effort you have put into house training it, and how much excrement it leaves around.
"Yes, I had a wonderful holiday, thank you. Whilst we are obviously still in silly season (etiquette I ask you!) you can guess whether I am suntanned all over or not."
Glad to hear about the hols.
"How was SFO? Does this mean that you are back for good?"
We are off to Brussels at 4pm, then Vienna for a couple of days and next week Rome.
"The fact that at a time when other carriers are improving their premium services(mentioning no names), BA don't seem to have learnt the lessons from their earlier attempts to dumb-down their First service."
Ha! Couldn't think of anything smarmy there could you!
I win! I win!
[This message has been edited by Merry (edited 09-02-2003).]
