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FlyerTalker39574 May 11, 2020 2:56 am

Ryanair B738s have also visited T5.

BlueThroughCrimp May 11, 2020 8:24 am

Aren't these in small (manageable) exceptions, rather than mass fleetwide loading though?

Schind May 12, 2020 9:38 am


Originally Posted by george77300 (Post 32358912)
Just to clarify this. Technically nothing was ordered at Farnborough. That was just the announcement.

They currently have 4 on order to be leased from Novus. 3 were ordered by them in November 2018 according to Boeing orders/delivery books and the 4th placed to Boeing in December 2018. Just 1 month later.

But there were 4 due, all this year. But as for what happens now, I’m not sure.


Boeing have issued their spreadsheets for April. No change on 777 orders. Still 18 -300s to be delivered. Three have been assembled and are awaiting delivery, one for China Southern and two for Aeroflot. The remaining 15 to be assembled are for Aeroflot (1), BOC Aviation (3), KLM (2), Novus Aviation Capital (4) & Pakistan International (5).

Of course, any cancellation by BA/Novus may not have happened until early May. I can't see Novus taking them on anyway and hoping to find another customer at short notice in the current climate. This was their first ever order direct with an OEM. What a start!
Another 'wait and see' moment.

TorqueDude May 12, 2020 11:25 am

The one thing that might be good indiction for Novus - Looking at which hulls BA are flying at the moment, various 787's, 777's and an occasional A350 feature. Of the 777's, it's the 773's that seem to be working really quite hard.

As you say though Schind, wait and see!

BAeuro May 12, 2020 12:13 pm

I don’t see any update on the next batch of A320neos (G-TTNM etc). Will these be delayed or delivered, as they will already be financed and in production.

TorqueDude May 13, 2020 7:10 am

Looks like G-ZBLA is off on another flight today, C1 (or 2!) maybe?

opus99 May 13, 2020 7:51 am


Originally Posted by TorqueDude (Post 32371392)
Looks like G-ZBLA is off on another flight today, C1 (or 2!) maybe?

At this point. The next flight surely must be delivery

Keiran Newberry May 13, 2020 7:58 am

Pardon the ignorance, and I'm sure if I read the wiki again I'd find out, but would this be the first 781?

mikeyfly May 13, 2020 8:02 am


Originally Posted by Keiran Newberry (Post 32371541)
Pardon the ignorance, and I'm sure if I read the wiki again I'd find out, but would this be the first 781?

Yes! The wiki shows


Boeing 787-10: BA has 12 787-10s on order to be delivered between 2020 and 2023: Each aircraft will be fitted with 256 seats in a 4 class 8F/48J/35W/165Y configuration.

G-ZBLA - Due in May 2020?
G-ZBLB - Due in Jun 2020
G-ZBLC - Due in Aug 2020
G-ZBLD - Due in 2020
G-ZBLE - Due in 2020
G-ZBLF - Due in 2020
G-ZBLG - Due in 2021
G-ZBLH - Due in 2021
G-ZBLI - Due in 2022
G-ZBLJ - Due in 2023
G-ZBLK - Due in 2023
G-ZBLL - Due in 2023

Schind May 13, 2020 8:17 am


Originally Posted by opus99 (Post 32371520)
At this point. The next flight surely must be delivery

It's not. It's another test flight.

If everything works perfectly there's a B1 flight, a C1 flight then delivery. ZBLA has already had B1, B2, C1, FCF and now today's. It's not unknown for airlines to have three C flights before accepting delivery, or even more. So far this year there has been one Boeing frame that had four C flights before delivery (a FedEx 767F).

BAeuro May 13, 2020 9:15 am


Originally Posted by Schind (Post 32371594)
It's not. It's another test flight.

If everything works perfectly there's a B1 flight, a C1 flight then delivery. ZBLA has already had B1, B2, C1, FCF and now today's. It's not unknown for airlines to have three C flights before accepting delivery, or even more. So far this year there has been one Boeing frame that had four C flights before delivery (a FedEx 767F).

Is there a fault with the aircraft then?

Schind May 13, 2020 9:31 am


Originally Posted by BAeuro (Post 32371724)
Is there a fault with the aircraft then?


Fault is perhaps too strong a word. It's flying around quite merrily over the ocean now so it works! Bear in mind airlines aren't going to accept hundreds of millions of dollars of aircraft that isn't functioning perfectly so even something minor can result in the frame being refused until corrected.

kanderson1965 May 13, 2020 9:53 am


Originally Posted by Schind (Post 32371769)
Fault is perhaps too strong a word. It's flying around quite merrily over the ocean now so it works! Bear in mind airlines aren't going to accept hundreds of millions of dollars of aircraft that isn't functioning perfectly so even something minor can result in the frame being refused until corrected.

Especially if they find a scratch somewhere. :)

fartoomanyusers May 13, 2020 10:27 am


Originally Posted by greg5 (Post 32359427)
LX has done this to three 777 so far. They have two flights to PVG and one to PEK daily, and I suspect these are the flights using them.


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 32355357)
I would imagine that it'd be a case of removing the WT/WT+ seats as they can be taken in and out fairly easily. Swiss has also done that if I'm not mistaken.

Airbus are offering to help with the approval of A350s (or A330/A340) to temporary freighter. Apparently 20 airlines are interested in this option.

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-tra...138161.article

13901 May 13, 2020 11:20 am


Originally Posted by Schind (Post 32371769)
Fault is perhaps too strong a word. It's flying around quite merrily over the ocean now so it works! Bear in mind airlines aren't going to accept hundreds of millions of dollars of aircraft that isn't functioning perfectly so even something minor can result in the frame being refused until corrected.

Airbus, but especially Boeing, both deliver new aircrafts with dozens of defects. Most are minor but Boeing has historically had trouble wiring fire suppression system controls to the right outlet.


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