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Originally Posted by opus99
(Post 32355637)
I think they took that initiative and took them out. The number of long haul orders for IAG this year fell by 3 and I’m assuming it’s the leased 77Ws
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I know they ordered 3 77Ws at Farnborough 2018, and then went to 4 at a later date. Perhaps the 4th one has been bought not leased?
Does anyone have a reference to when BA increased it to 4, maybe it will provide the details. |
Originally Posted by BAeuro
(Post 32357060)
I know they ordered 3 77Ws at Farnborough 2018, and then went to 4 at a later date. Perhaps the 4th one has been bought not leased?
Does anyone have a reference to when BA increased it to 4, maybe it will provide the details. Scroll on two years and Boeing only have 18 77Ws left to produce and deliver as of the end of March. Looking at the customer list the four for Novus are still there. Boeing's April spreadsheet is due any day now. It may reveal any changes. As an aside, Airbus' data for April was released today. No change in orders for any IAG airlines (or anyone else apart from a new order from Avolon), but they don't list delivery dates so you can't tell what's being deferred and until when from that. |
On another note, what ever happened to G-NEOY? Is it ready for delivery or is there some technical issue?
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To me, the numbers of long haul deliveries don’t suggest anything has been cancelled, just rescheduled. For example, three deliveries due for 2020 get pushed back into 2021. Then, three aircraft due in 2021 also get pushed further out, resulting in net deliveries for 2021 being unchanged! If anything, being end of the line and heavily discounted, the 77Ws would be least likely to be cancelled. Equally, with the slow pace of 77X development, whose to say that the final 77W deliveries haven’t been pushed further out?
Without type by type numbers, all we can do is speculate, which is interesting nonetheless. |
I’ve just read that G-LCYE has left the BACF fleet. I assume it went to Warsaw to get the BA fittings removed before moving on. Can anyone confirm this?
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Originally Posted by TedToToe
(Post 32356298)
With one of BA’s A380s at Lufthansa Technik in MNL, that could be people putting two and two together and making five!
Or PPE, perhaps! rb211. |
Originally Posted by BAeuro
(Post 32357426)
I’ve just read that G-LCYE has left the BACF fleet. I assume it went to Warsaw to get the BA fittings removed before moving on. Can anyone confirm this?
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Originally Posted by RB211
(Post 32357561)
I thought the A380 wasn't that "good" at being a cargo plane, comparatively speaking, which is why Airbus didn't sell any A380Fs. However, if you want to move toilet paper around the globe, it would probably be quite good at that!
Or PPE, perhaps! rb211. The pax version is pretty poor for carrying freight in normal pax operation as proportionally the spare hold space is much smaller (given the two decks + pax luggage and the increased space rewuired for the larger landing gear). The article below is a great summary, comparing the pros and cons of passenger aircrraft also being used to carry freight and shows why the big twins (777, 787, A350 etc) are so popular with airlines for it. http://www.lcfconversions.com/uploads/news_23.pdf Having said that, who knows, freighter conversions may well be the saviour of many A380s. Rather than selling them for a pittance, given increased demand, it will be much easier to fill them 'full' of cargo - making the economics much more comparable with its peers. Shame the freight won't appreciate it! Will be interesting to see if the one being converted is for BA or not! |
Originally Posted by Schind
(Post 32358063)
Routine maintenance according to The BA Source. LCYO came back yesterday, YE went in.
This is what I read: Goodbye Yankee-Echo. BA CityFlyer Embraer ERJ-170STD G-LCYE gets airborne for the final time from London City as it flies into retirement from the BACF fleet. It’s planned that Yankee-Echo will join a new operator and live-out the rest of her days Stateside. YD, YF and YG are currently at NWI, I don’t believe they’ll be coming back to LCY before retirement |
Originally Posted by BAeuro
(Post 32357060)
I know they ordered 3 77Ws at Farnborough 2018, and then went to 4 at a later date. Perhaps the 4th one has been bought not leased?
Does anyone have a reference to when BA increased it to 4, maybe it will provide the details. They currently have 4 on order to be leased from Novus. 3 were ordered by them in November 2018 according to Boeing orders/delivery books and the 4th placed to Boeing in December 2018. Just 1 month later. But there were 4 due, all this year. But as for what happens now, I’m not sure. |
So another piece of info I found online:
The current plan is to ditch the E170's when their leases expire and keep building up the E190's. There's talk of the leases being renewed / extended for most of their E190's. |
Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 32355357)
I would imagine that it'd be a case of removing the WT/WT+ seats as they can be taken in and out fairly easily. Swiss has also done that if I'm not mistaken.
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Originally Posted by BAeuro
(Post 32359338)
So this is probably the beginning of the retirement programme for the E170s. Shame to be honest, always a cute little variant. |
I just had a look at the fleet plan, so 6 Regional Jets are due this year, these must be G-LCAC-H. That would take the BACF fleet to 30 at the end of 2020.
However, their breakdown says 25 aircraft at the end of the year, so implies 5 must go, which I presume are 5 E170s. |
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