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bmibaby737 May 7, 2020 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by opus99 (Post 32355637)
I think they took that initiative and took them out. The number of long haul orders for IAG this year fell by 3 and I’m assuming it’s the leased 77Ws

except there’s 4 on order. I can’t see them taking 1 oddball 77W.

BAeuro May 7, 2020 3:11 pm

I know they ordered 3 77Ws at Farnborough 2018, and then went to 4 at a later date. Perhaps the 4th one has been bought not leased?

Does anyone have a reference to when BA increased it to 4, maybe it will provide the details.

Schind May 7, 2020 4:21 pm


Originally Posted by BAeuro (Post 32357060)
I know they ordered 3 77Ws at Farnborough 2018, and then went to 4 at a later date. Perhaps the 4th one has been bought not leased?

Does anyone have a reference to when BA increased it to 4, maybe it will provide the details.

BA have no direct orders with Boeing for the 77W. When the order for three was announced at Farnborough it came on the same day an order for 'up to four' was announced for Novus Aviation. I speculated at the time if these were the same as the BA aircraft. I believe the fourth for BA came to light at the end of the year, possibly from the Capital Markets Day.
Scroll on two years and Boeing only have 18 77Ws left to produce and deliver as of the end of March. Looking at the customer list the four for Novus are still there. Boeing's April spreadsheet is due any day now. It may reveal any changes.
As an aside, Airbus' data for April was released today. No change in orders for any IAG airlines (or anyone else apart from a new order from Avolon), but they don't list delivery dates so you can't tell what's being deferred and until when from that.

BAeuro May 7, 2020 4:55 pm

On another note, what ever happened to G-NEOY? Is it ready for delivery or is there some technical issue?

TedToToe May 7, 2020 6:07 pm

To me, the numbers of long haul deliveries don’t suggest anything has been cancelled, just rescheduled. For example, three deliveries due for 2020 get pushed back into 2021. Then, three aircraft due in 2021 also get pushed further out, resulting in net deliveries for 2021 being unchanged! If anything, being end of the line and heavily discounted, the 77Ws would be least likely to be cancelled. Equally, with the slow pace of 77X development, whose to say that the final 77W deliveries haven’t been pushed further out?
Without type by type numbers, all we can do is speculate, which is interesting nonetheless.

BAeuro May 7, 2020 6:15 pm

I’ve just read that G-LCYE has left the BACF fleet. I assume it went to Warsaw to get the BA fittings removed before moving on. Can anyone confirm this?

RB211 May 7, 2020 7:54 pm


Originally Posted by TedToToe (Post 32356298)
With one of BA’s A380s at Lufthansa Technik in MNL, that could be people putting two and two together and making five!

I thought the A380 wasn't that "good" at being a cargo plane, comparatively speaking, which is why Airbus didn't sell any A380Fs. However, if you want to move toilet paper around the globe, it would probably be quite good at that!

Or PPE, perhaps!

rb211.

Schind May 8, 2020 1:36 am


Originally Posted by BAeuro (Post 32357426)
I’ve just read that G-LCYE has left the BACF fleet. I assume it went to Warsaw to get the BA fittings removed before moving on. Can anyone confirm this?

Routine maintenance according to The BA Source. LCYO came back yesterday, YE went in.

gliderpilot May 8, 2020 7:14 am


Originally Posted by RB211 (Post 32357561)
I thought the A380 wasn't that "good" at being a cargo plane, comparatively speaking, which is why Airbus didn't sell any A380Fs. However, if you want to move toilet paper around the globe, it would probably be quite good at that!

Or PPE, perhaps!

rb211.

Yes, the dedicated A380 freighter got put into the long grass and then binned, initially due to the long delays in the passenger version but also because of reduced customer interest (example issues such as practicalities of loading/unloading the upper deck and that it runs out of weight capacity before it runs out of space, impcting on the economics).

The pax version is pretty poor for carrying freight in normal pax operation as proportionally the spare hold space is much smaller (given the two decks + pax luggage and the increased space rewuired for the larger landing gear). The article below is a great summary, comparing the pros and cons of passenger aircrraft also being used to carry freight and shows why the big twins (777, 787, A350 etc) are so popular with airlines for it.
http://www.lcfconversions.com/uploads/news_23.pdf

Having said that, who knows, freighter conversions may well be the saviour of many A380s. Rather than selling them for a pittance, given increased demand, it will be much easier to fill them 'full' of cargo - making the economics much more comparable with its peers. Shame the freight won't appreciate it! Will be interesting to see if the one being converted is for BA or not!

BAeuro May 8, 2020 8:39 am


Originally Posted by Schind (Post 32358063)
Routine maintenance according to The BA Source. LCYO came back yesterday, YE went in.

Oh okay.

This is what I read:


Goodbye Yankee-Echo. BA CityFlyer Embraer ERJ-170STD G-LCYE gets airborne for the final time from London City as it flies into retirement from the BACF fleet. It’s planned that Yankee-Echo will join a new operator and live-out the rest of her days Stateside.

YD, YF and YG are currently at NWI, I don’t believe they’ll be coming back to LCY before retirement

george77300 May 8, 2020 9:06 am


Originally Posted by BAeuro (Post 32357060)
I know they ordered 3 77Ws at Farnborough 2018, and then went to 4 at a later date. Perhaps the 4th one has been bought not leased?

Does anyone have a reference to when BA increased it to 4, maybe it will provide the details.

Just to clarify this. Technically nothing was ordered at Farnborough. That was just the announcement.

They currently have 4 on order to be leased from Novus. 3 were ordered by them in November 2018 according to Boeing orders/delivery books and the 4th placed to Boeing in December 2018. Just 1 month later.

But there were 4 due, all this year. But as for what happens now, I’m not sure.

BAeuro May 8, 2020 12:03 pm

So another piece of info I found online:


The current plan is to ditch the E170's when their leases expire and keep building up the E190's. There's talk of the leases being renewed / extended for most of their E190's.
So this is probably the beginning of the retirement programme for the E170s. Shame to be honest, always a cute little variant.

greg5 May 8, 2020 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 32355357)
I would imagine that it'd be a case of removing the WT/WT+ seats as they can be taken in and out fairly easily. Swiss has also done that if I'm not mistaken.

LX has done this to three 777 so far. They have two flights to PVG and one to PEK daily, and I suspect these are the flights using them.

Schind May 8, 2020 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by BAeuro (Post 32359338)


So this is probably the beginning of the retirement programme for the E170s. Shame to be honest, always a cute little variant.

You could be right. The fleet plan shows 28 Embraers at the end of 2022. There are six listed as on order so that's at least two retirements between now and then. As there are two new frames imminent, even without the current pandemic, it makes sense.

BAeuro May 8, 2020 3:50 pm

I just had a look at the fleet plan, so 6 Regional Jets are due this year, these must be G-LCAC-H. That would take the BACF fleet to 30 at the end of 2020.

However, their breakdown says 25 aircraft at the end of the year, so implies 5 must go, which I presume are 5 E170s.


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