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andypart Sep 18, 2009 7:16 am

Flight not showing
 
Hi
I was slowly working my way through a redemption booking to Vail via Denver and San Francisco with the icc, when for one flight between Denver and San Francisco on my way back on the 20th Feb 2010 the agent said that he was unable to book this particular flight as it wasn't showing yet.
All of the other five flights were available but this one whch is the crucial link to getting home he couldn't do.
He advised me that i would need to ring up every 2 days to check on this flight.
Is this correct? the flight is showing up on the ANA tool and it is in only 6 months time.
Is there any reason why this flight is a problem and all the others are ok.
Would the fact that the vail to Denver flight is economy and then this flight will be business class anything to do with it.
He advised against booking all the other flights, until this one reappeared as they would not all be on the same reseveration.
Any advice would be gratefully received otherwise it is ringing them up every two days to go through the whole process again.

jbfield Sep 19, 2009 1:33 am

Best advice is to phone back to try a different agent. I would suspect that it's either an agent specific problem or as you suggest, they are looking for a business seat on an economy-only flight.

They may have said call back every two days but that number is just plucked out of the sky. Ring back as soon as you can but speak to a different agent.

andypart Sep 19, 2009 4:51 am

Hi
I have tried several agents and have even looked at alternative flights but every one says that the denver flight(regardless to Chicago or San Francisco) is not available at present.
I have now booked the first half of the trip but will keep ringing the icc to try to book the return leg.

IMH Sep 19, 2009 9:04 am


Originally Posted by andypart (Post 12400149)
for one flight between Denver and San Francisco on my way back on the 20th Feb 2010 the agent said that he was unable to book this particular flight [...]
Would the fact that the vail to Denver flight is economy and then this flight will be business class anything to do with it.

That could be part of the problem, but it might (just guessing, as I don't know which flight you're looking at) be connected with UA operating wide-bodies with three classes of (poor) service on many of their DEN-SFO flights (DEN-ORD, too, since you mention that as an alternative).

Remember that what the rest of the world thinks of as "business" seats typically get called "first" on a two-class flight within N. America -- but become "business" again if there are slightly better seats further forward.

Is it possible that the agents you spoke to have been looking in vain for "first" inventory on a three-class flight? If you've not already done so, I'd suggest checking to see what equipment is scheduled to operate the flight you want and then making absolutely sure that the ICC agent is looking for "domestic business" or "domestic first" as appropriate.

Good luck!

IMH Sep 24, 2009 6:24 am


Originally Posted by andypart (Post 12404990)
Hi
I have tried several agents and have even looked at alternative flights but every one says that the denver flight(regardless to Chicago or San Francisco) is not available at present.

I wonder if Tiger_lily's experience, as reported here, might be relevant:


Originally Posted by Tiger_lily (Post 12429702)
LHR-SFO [...] F on UA. [...]
SFO-RNO 3 x Y on UA

[...]

An interesting one this. I tried booking the sectors one at a time but when it came to the domestic leg, it was coming up as waitlisted. The agent then checked the sectors as a single itinerary and the domestic leg was then accessible - go figure.

Maybe you could, er, encourage the ICC agent to try looking in different ways? Good luck!

denCSA Sep 24, 2009 8:57 am

Here would be exactly how the ICC agent sees the availability on their screen:

Code:

** BMI - AD ** SFO SAN FRANCISCO.USCA                        149 SA 20FEB 0000
 1  UA 422  O0 X0                /EGE  DEN    0810    0919  E0.320 N       
    UA 415  O0 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  1015    1215  E0.319 7    5:05
 2  UA 422  O0 X2                /EGE  DEN    0810    0919  E0.320 N       
    UA 721  O9 X2                /DEN  SFO 3  1145    1334  E0.752 9    6:24
 3  UA 422  O0 X0                /EGE  DEN    0810    0919  E0.320 N       
    UA 733  O2 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  1355    1534  E0.320 8    8:24
 4  *UA7084  X0                  /EGE  DEN    1005    1114  E0.DH2         
    UA 733  O2 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  1355    1534  E0.320 8    6:29
 5  *UA7084  X0                  /EGE  DEN    1005    1114  E0.DH2         
    UA 735  O1 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  1515    1654  E0.319 7    7:49
 6  UA 133  O0 X0                /EGE  DEN    1300    1359  E0.320 N       
    UA 735  O1 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  1515    1654  E0.319 7    4:54
** BMI - AD ** SFO SAN FRANCISCO.USCA                        149 SA 20FEB 0000
 1  UA 133  O0 X1                /EGE  DEN    1300    1359  E0.320 N       
    UA 737  O7 X1                /DEN  SFO 3  1700    1844  E0.320 N    6:44
 2  UA 133  O0 X0                /EGE  DEN    1300    1359  E0.320 N       
    UA 595  O9 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  1845    2027  E0.752 8    8:27
 3  *UA7067  X0                  /EGE  DEN    1517    1615  E0.DH2         
    UA 737  O7 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  1700    1844  E0.320 N    4:27
 4  *UA7067  X0                  /EGE  DEN    1517    1615  E0.DH2         
    UA 595  O9 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  1845    2027  E0.752 8    6:10
 5  *UA7067  X0                  /EGE  DEN    1517    1615  E0.DH2         
    UA 423  O9 X0                /DEN  SFO 3  2040    2222  E0.752 7    8:05

Hope that helps, cheers!

andypart Sep 24, 2009 10:34 am

Hi

Have just got off the phone having booked a return leg from Denver to Lax and then through to London all in business class for the three of us.

Only small problem was that the connection between vail and Denver has disappeared, not too much of a problem as there are coach transfers between the resort and the airport on a regular basis.

Just need to tell the wife and find some where to stay.

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions, most appreciated.

Tiger_lily Sep 24, 2009 11:00 am


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 12429958)
I wonder if Tiger_lily's experience, as reported here, might be relevant:

Maybe you could, er, encourage the ICC agent to try looking in different ways? Good luck!

Bizarrely, the flight that I was asking for was the one that we ended up on anyway. As soon as she said it was waitlisted, I started asking whether the problem was due to married segments and that's when the penny dropped and she went off to do some digging.

Whether it was actually married segments or not I have no idea but they managed to do it in the end. It sounds like andypart got some duff agents who weren't prepared to go the extra mile.

IMH Sep 24, 2009 5:40 pm


Originally Posted by andypart (Post 12431349)
[...] booked a return leg from Denver to Lax and then through to London all in business class

[...] the connection between vail and Denver has disappeared, not too much of a problem as there are coach transfers between the resort and the airport on a regular basis.

Congratulations on getting your flights booked. There's nowt wrong with a nice coach trip through the mountains, either. Enjoy!


Originally Posted by Tiger_lily (Post 12431518)
It sounds like andypart got some duff agents who weren't prepared to go the extra mile.

Indeed. A good reminder to us all that the ICC isn't always perfect ;) .

itsafugazi Sep 26, 2009 8:04 am

Expert Flyer help required
 
Hi all, I have been using the ANA site to check availability but even though it shows seats in BUS or FIR the ICC states no avail or 'wait list'. I have been trying for a couple of weeks now to book the following:

7th or 8th Dec - NRT - BKK (TG showing Fir availability)
12th or 13th Dec - BKK to CPH (Would like to see if there is LX availability in First). Alternatively BUS availability on TG or LX

Would it be possible for someone with Expert Flyer or some BMI insider tool ;) to see what could be possible on these legs?

Thanks in advance

Caledonian Sep 26, 2009 9:24 am

Need some help checking availability for Zurich to Bangkok with LX on either 1st or 2nd November, returning 14th or 15th November.

Thanks in advance...

gordo6 Sep 26, 2009 9:40 am


Originally Posted by Caledonian (Post 12441352)
Need some help checking availability for Zurich to Bangkok with LX on either 1st or 2nd November, returning 14th or 15th November.

Thanks in advance...

inbound- 1st Nov - only F class dirct with LX
2nd Nov - only Y class with LH via FRA
return- 14th Nov- no available flights in any class
15th Nov - only Y class with LH via FRA

denCSA Sep 26, 2009 9:44 am


Originally Posted by itsafugazi (Post 12441045)
Hi all, I have been using the ANA site to check availability but even though it shows seats in BUS or FIR the ICC states no avail or 'wait list'. I have been trying for a couple of weeks now to book the following:

7th or 8th Dec - NRT - BKK (TG showing Fir availability)
12th or 13th Dec - BKK to CPH (Would like to see if there is LX availability in First). Alternatively BUS availability on TG or LX

Would it be possible for someone with Expert Flyer or some BMI insider tool ;) to see what could be possible on these legs?

Thanks in advance

Here you go:

Code:

** BMI - AD ** BKK BANGKOK.TH                                71 MO 07DEC 0000
 1  TG 643  I2 X1                /NRT 1 BKK    0945    1445  E0/772      7:00
 2  TG 641  O2 I2 X0            /NRT 1 BKK    1045    1545  E0/346      7:00
 3  NH 953  I0 X0                /NRT 1 BKK    1050    1605  E0.763      7:15
 4NH:UA9747  C4 D0 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 /NRT 1 BKK    1050    1605  E0.763  TR  7:15
            V4 W4 S4 T4 K0 L0 G0 Z0 E0 U0                                   
 5  TG 677  O0 I2 X2            /NRT 1 BKK    1715    2215  E0/747      7:00
 6NH:UA9711  C4 D4 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 /NRT 1 BKK    1730    2250  E0.763  TR  7:20
            V4 W0 S0 T0 K0 L0 G0 Z4 E0 U0                                   
 7  NH 915  I0 X0                /NRT 1 BKK    1730    2250  E0.763      7:20
 8  UA 881  O0 I0 X0            /NRT 1 BKK    1835    2345  E0.744      7:10

Code:

** BMI - AD ** CPH COPENHAGEN.DK                              77 SA 12DEC 0000
 1  TG 950  I0 X4                /BKK  CPH 3  0050    0635  E0/747      11:45
 2  TG 930  O2 I2 X4            /BKK  CDG 1  0005    0645  E0/744         
    SK 566  I6 X4                /CDG 1 CPH 3  1110    1300  E0/M80      18:55
 3  TG 948  O1 I2 X4            /BKK  MAD 1  0005    0745  E0/744         
    JK 025  I1 X4                /MAD 2 CPH 3  1105    1415  E0/320      20:10
 4  TG 910  O0 I2 X4            /BKK  LHR 3  0015    0620  E0/744         
    SK 502  I9 X9                /LHR 3 CPH 3  0955    1250  E0/M80      17:35
 5  TG 970  O1 I0 X0            /BKK  ZRH    0015    0645  E0/346         
    SK 602  I9 X9                /ZRH  CPH 3  1040    1225  E0/CR9      18:10
 6  TG 970  O1 I0 X0            /BKK  ZRH    0015    0645  E0/346         
    LX1270  I9 X9                /ZRH  CPH 3  1220    1405  E0/320      19:50

On the return there is no availability on LX in any class for BKK-ZRH

Cheers!

itsafugazi Sep 26, 2009 11:57 am

Thanks for your help, its much appreciated. I am new to ANA, FT and now this output so any help or direction on how to read the classes available on these legs would be great as I havent seen these before :(

NewbieRunner Sep 26, 2009 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by itsafugazi (Post 12441903)
I am new to ANA, FT and now this output so any help or direction on how to read the classes available on these legs would be great as I havent seen these before :(

I haven't seen this particular output format before either but this thread in the Star Alliance forum might help.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/star-...g-classes.html

Award booking classes are:

O = First Class
I = Business Class
X = Economy Class

The number which follows the booking class letter is the number of seats available .


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