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Old May 26, 2014, 8:47 am
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Originally Posted by Moderator2
Every forum on Flyertalk has a personality. A forum gains a personality through user input over time, and Lifemiles is a very definitive example of how users have developed a unique community.

While Flyertalk boards actively encourage sharing of info, the Lifemiles community has developed and thrived via obscuring of certain data elements. It may not be easy for new participants to break through the codes and gain knowledge of the program's quirks, but the overall board community has adopted this unique approach. And frankly, that is not going to change overnight.

If a FT member wants to participate on this board, then they will need to respect other users. Hence, posts that run counter to this community's standards, will be removed.
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C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania

2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.

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LifeMiles' old Star Alliance Award Chart (before Oct 15 2014) // Table of changes

Cash & Miles redemptions: the price per mile purchased during award booking varies significantly depending on how many miles are purchased. The "sweet spots" are between 38% and 58% of the total mileage required, where miles are purchased for 1.5 cents. See here for some examples.

Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).

Understand Cabotage: Departing country 1, transiting country 2, returning to country 1 (no stopping) *is* cabotage (example: depart JFK, connect in YYZ to return to ORD, or depart Miami, connect in Bogota, return to San Francisco). On the other hand, departing country 1, going to completely unrelated country 2, and ending up in country 3, is not cabotage. So if you fly JFK-JNB-ZRH, for instance, this is completely not cabotage.

Availability: Seeing availability for *A award seats elsewhere is no guarantee they are accessible on Lifemiles. For instance award space shown on ANA often is not accessible on Lifemiles. Similarly, finding award space on single legs doesn't mean you'll get award space on the combined itinerary. And no, there is no way to overcome that.

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Send email to [email protected] with attached screenshots on Lifemiles website of each individual leg showing availability. Also, screenshot showing no availability as one booking. Include passenger names, gender and DOB and copy of passenger passport. They will either call you for payment or email the itinerary and give you 3 days to call up and make payment by CC.

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Old May 31, 2014, 2:50 am
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Originally Posted by Wilko Pali Sedef
I wonder if this thread will die down now that the promotion is over!
When I go to purchase miles it still throws the bonus in even though the 2x1 banner no longer shows ...
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Old May 31, 2014, 3:12 am
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Originally Posted by Wilko Pali Sedef
I wonder if this thread will die down now that the promotion is over!
I doubt it; you can still reduce the points to $15/1,000 when booking, so the same rate as the discounted points.
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Old May 31, 2014, 8:07 am
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This program has become a lot less valuable. All it took was one bad apple.

At least we can still get to C6 at a fair price
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Old May 31, 2014, 8:20 am
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Originally Posted by Wilko Pali Sedef
I wonder if this thread will die down now that the promotion is over!
It will become like the trick it thread - where most of whats posted now is fantasy garbage.
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Old May 31, 2014, 8:46 am
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Old May 31, 2014, 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
... and if my experience is any indication (I've yet to get to it in my travel report) then you will probably kind of wonder whether the whole thing was even worth all the hype. :P
I'll likely get to it one of these days (especially now that UR here in the states can transfer), and I'll probably be disappointed. But, as always, I'll find that out for myself .

Originally Posted by Deltahater
This program has become a lot less valuable. All it took was one bad apple.

At least we can still get to C6 at a fair price
That is really all it takes. So much of this is very fragile (not just LM), it really must be treated with kid gloves. I've lost multiple non-LM opportunities just in the past two months. But greed gets the better of a majority of people. Throw in the instances of the tragedy of the commons and I get surprised how long some things DO last.

Originally Posted by rankourabu
It will become like the trick it thread - where most of whats posted now is fantasy garbage.
Pretty much. LM then becomes just a way to buy awards for somewhat less, with maybe a handful of better opportunities that only work in specific situations. But, I personally still don't value F to Europe (as an example) at the $1000+ each way that it will effectively become, especially without earning miles. Not worth it, unless I really, really need to go, which just isn't the case 99% of the time.

Like I said, today is unsubscribe day. The value won't be here to bother spending the time on it, other than to use up whatever miles you already have. There's only so many hours in a day, and they can frequently be better spent.
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Old May 31, 2014, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by rankourabu
It will become like the trick it thread - where most of whats posted now is fantasy garbage.
Some LM "tricks" were never revealed on FT. Those are still bookable. For example C1 to C1 via C3

There are other "by invitation only" forums where these are discussed & shared.

Similar to mistake fares, before they appear if ever on FT they have been discussed, shared and booked many times over in these "secret" forums.

On a personal note, I've received many "nasty" PM's when I've publicly shared info, most recently the SQ F Suites route. Seems like a lot of people want to keep things hush hush.

Last edited by imverge; May 31, 2014 at 9:51 am Reason: Added routing example & personal note
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Old May 31, 2014, 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by imverge
On a personal note, I've received many "nasty" PM's when I've publicly shared info, most recently the SQ F Suites route. Seems like a lot of people want to keep things hush hush.
Don't really understand why - where's the secret trick in the routing you posted? Isn't it just a not very well known route for a product which is limited in general?
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Old May 31, 2014, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by imverge
I once booked BKK > VIE > TLV
Yes it was possible a long time ago, but not now.

Originally Posted by scibuff
... on many routes not operated by Tyrolean but they do work!
At the moment ALL flights of OS are operated by tyrolean so I have really no clue what you mean. Just look at your boarding pass. (They have transfered the whole aircrew (pilots and flight attendants) to tyrolean)

Last edited by MultiFlyer; May 31, 2014 at 3:14 pm
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Old May 31, 2014, 3:08 pm
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Originally Posted by scibuff
I wonder if there is a 14-day release to LM on these - the furthest I see is seats (both Y and J) is Jun 15
Yes seems so. Must be new.

But it is a start.

Would be great for the wood tool to get another possible connection to C1.

Last edited by MultiFlyer; May 31, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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Old May 31, 2014, 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by imverge
On a personal note, I've received many "nasty" PM's when I've publicly shared info, most recently the SQ F Suites route. Seems like a lot of people want to keep things hush hush.
You received nasty PMs about non-tricked SIN-DEL in F? Come on

Don't tell anyone but I heard you can sometimes book FRA-JFK in LH F.
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Old May 31, 2014, 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by MultiFlyer
At the moment ALL flights of OS are operated by tyrolean so I have really no clue what you mean. Just look at your boarding pass. (They have transfered the whole aircrew (pilots and flight attendants) to tyrolean)
I thought all but one plane had been transfered. The one remaining Austrian long-haul aircraft is used to keep the route authorities alive.
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Old May 31, 2014, 4:38 pm
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Originally Posted by MultiFlyer
Yes it was possible a long time ago, but not now.

At the moment ALL flights of OS are operated by tyrolean so I have really no clue what you mean. Just look at your boarding pass. (They have transfered the whole aircrew (pilots and flight attendants) to tyrolean)
That may be so, but some routes are still showing as available on OS in LM. I see at least three.
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Old May 31, 2014, 4:54 pm
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Originally Posted by zagy
You received nasty PMs about non-tricked SIN-DEL in F? Come on

Don't tell anyone but I heard you can sometimes book FRA-JFK in LH F.
LH F vs. SQ F SUITES.. SQ anyday, everyday
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Old May 31, 2014, 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by scibuff
That may be so, but some routes are still showing as available on OS in LM. I see at least three.
The flights I've seen in LM show an OS flight number to VIE in J. But whats the big issue if some are operated by Tyrolean?
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