Jan 1, 2014, 5:17 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
NOTE: This thread has been superseded by the thread entitled LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it) Rebooted v2.0. Please follow the discussion there.
Region definitions
C1 North America
C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania
2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.
LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart
Cash & Miles redemptions: buying the max (60%) isn't always the best deal (unless you're purchasing all miles right there). Check here for the best CPM.
Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).
Region definitions
C1 North America
C1.5 Caribbean, Bermuda
C2 Europe
C2.5 Middle East
C3 Asia
C4 South America
C5 Africa
C6 Oceania
2X, 3X: in the context of this LifeMiles thread, 2X and 3X refer to any 2nd and 3rd legs of a one-way award ticket.
LifeMiles' Star Alliance Award Chart
Cash & Miles redemptions: buying the max (60%) isn't always the best deal (unless you're purchasing all miles right there). Check here for the best CPM.
Beware of Cabotage: LifeMiles has been known to issue tickets that constitute Cabotage, and at least one instance of denied boarding has been reported, stranding the passenger. An easily-seen example is travel on Copa from LAX to SJU (via PTY).
LM F and J routes (and the occasional trick-it)
May 7, 2014, 2:00 pm
#2236
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Saigon/Hanoi/San Francisco
Posts: 1,779
USA Cabotage
Journeys between the following territories are U.S. Cabotage Points:
American Samoa, Baker Island, Guam, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnson Atoll, Kingman Reef, Midway Island, Northern Mariana Island, Puerto Rico, Saipan, Swains Island, Pacific Trust Territories, Palmyra Island, Panama Canal Zone, US Virgin Islands, Wake Island.
For RTW, you'll be on mixed carriers, cabotage rules don't applied.
Journeys between the following territories are U.S. Cabotage Points:
American Samoa, Baker Island, Guam, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnson Atoll, Kingman Reef, Midway Island, Northern Mariana Island, Puerto Rico, Saipan, Swains Island, Pacific Trust Territories, Palmyra Island, Panama Canal Zone, US Virgin Islands, Wake Island.
Even if the answer is yes to all of the above, why can I not start a RTW in guam and finish in boston? It's because they are coded as different countries by IATA/ISO. Same with Netherlands and St. Maarten, and so on. Trust me, I've tried.
I'm a little confused by this perceived ambiguity.
I'm a little confused by this perceived ambiguity.
Last edited by imm2b; May 7, 2014 at 2:26 pm
May 7, 2014, 3:09 pm
#2237
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: BTS
Posts: 611
For cabotage the best check is just to use the Matrix forcing the flights. If a GDS prices it you'll be fine.
As far as I know, it has always been like that.
As far as I know, it has always been like that.
May 7, 2014, 5:08 pm
#2239
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: YYZ
Posts: 6,138
I'm working on a C1-C6-C1 r/t on favorable terms and can only get the outbound to work... the return itinerary always breaks, and badly. Of course, I only discovered this after buying a sizable chunk of miles... 
I thought my problems may have been related to the UA issues but the persist despite the re-instatement of UA availability.
I don't have a lot of weapons in my arsenal so if anyone has any ability or inclination to assist, please don't hesitate.
I thought my problems may have been related to the UA issues but the persist despite the re-instatement of UA availability.
I don't have a lot of weapons in my arsenal so if anyone has any ability or inclination to assist, please don't hesitate.
Last edited by YYZC2; May 7, 2014 at 5:14 pm
May 7, 2014, 5:12 pm
#2240
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: BTS
Posts: 611
I'm working on a C1-C6-C1 r/t and can only get the outbound to work... the return itinerary always breaks, and badly. Of course, I only discovered this after buying a sizable chunk of miles...
I thought my problems may have been related to the UA issues but the persist despite the re-instatement of UA availability.
I don't have a lot of weapons in my arsenal so if anyone has any ability or inclination to assist, please don't hesitate.
I thought my problems may have been related to the UA issues but the persist despite the re-instatement of UA availability.
I don't have a lot of weapons in my arsenal so if anyone has any ability or inclination to assist, please don't hesitate.
May 7, 2014, 5:19 pm
#2241
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: YYZ
Posts: 6,138
Returns show space but won't book. I admit I haven't tried booking r/t, only o/w.
Returns need to be single-carrier, I take it?
May 7, 2014, 6:13 pm
#2242
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: BTS
Posts: 611
The single carrier return *used to* work just fine
May 7, 2014, 6:18 pm
#2243
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: BTS
Posts: 611
Is it just me or is the Candy Animal back (May 14)?
May 7, 2014, 6:23 pm
#2244
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Airline nobody. Sad!
Posts: 26,062
. Need some levity around here.
May 7, 2014, 6:50 pm
#2245
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 6,385
the friendly skies airline inventory is back up, and looks like everyone's favourite destination near asia and tree cutting is now bookable. I wonder if it is it a coincidence that this happened just when lifemiles refused to rebook me on united, because they didn't see...
May 7, 2014, 7:04 pm
#2246
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,439
the friendly skies airline inventory is back up, and looks like everyone's favourite destination near asia and tree cutting is now bookable. I wonder if it is it a coincidence that this happened just when lifemiles refused to rebook me on united, because they didn't see...
May 7, 2014, 7:26 pm
#2247
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Airline nobody. Sad!
Posts: 26,062
the friendly skies airline inventory is back up, and looks like everyone's favourite destination near asia and tree cutting is now bookable. I wonder if it is it a coincidence that this happened just when lifemiles refused to rebook me on united, because they didn't see...
May 7, 2014, 8:15 pm
#2249
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Airline nobody. Sad!
Posts: 26,062
Considering that effort started at least 72 hours ago, while yours is 24 at most, and that was much more pointed in that direction, while yours was more concerning your specific ticket, which do you infer as the most likely cause?
May 7, 2014, 8:16 pm
#2250
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 4,396
the friendly skies airline inventory is back up, and looks like everyone's favourite destination near asia and tree cutting is now bookable. I wonder if it is it a coincidence that this happened just when lifemiles refused to rebook me on united, because they didn't see...