Korean Air Seeks to Buy Asiana (Recent News Article)
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I'm having similar thoughts. What I liked is the OZ accrual period for *G is 2 years instead of 1. Due to my (pre-covid) flying patterns, that was a lot easier to achieve than trying to do it all in one year. I think for me, TK would be the best option. As I read it, you have a big hurdle in the first year to qualify, then after that you can take up to 2 years to requalify (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Now if TK did a status match, that would make things even better. For now, I'm going to continue to earn on OZ until details of the merger become more clear.
It's just a pity that OZ's program is going away -- I was about 100k miles away from lifetime *G.
It's just a pity that OZ's program is going away -- I was about 100k miles away from lifetime *G.
Although their status match also required a TK international flight within first few months I believe.
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This merger and acquisition deal is in jeopardy as EU antitrust authority denied similar case of merger between Air Canada and Air tranjet. Air tranjet is third ranking international carrier within Canada market. They denied (actually required major adjustment on merger condition but Air Canada declined to accept and gave up) based on price hike and monopoly potential.
Asiana merger has same worry and even worse, there will be disruption on Star Alliance carrier through ICN hub.
Recently, UA focused to ICN rather than any other far east hub in the area.
Asiana merger has same worry and even worse, there will be disruption on Star Alliance carrier through ICN hub.
Recently, UA focused to ICN rather than any other far east hub in the area.
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If this is fact, do you have sources that indicate there are any EU concerns regarding this merger?
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Thanks for clarification on the proposed AC-TS deal. While I understand (admittedly at a very basic level) the concern for potential monopoly in certain markets, if the struggling carrier ends up failing and liquidate, wouldn't the surviving carrier still have a monopoly then? In the case of potential KE-OZ deal, is it better for OZ to go into BK and let KE pick and choose what it wants (assuming BK in Korea is somewhat similar to US) or allow KE to pick up OZ as a whole and salvage what it can?
At this time, OZ is not insolvent, and it's not entirely clear that it would become so without the KE transaction. There's actually a reasonable parallel to the AC-TS deal, as TS is also struggling but not insolvent. Here is what the EU had to say in their statement after AC and TS announced that they were cancelling their deal:
EU merger control policy standards and framework also apply in times of severe shocks affecting the economy. While the coronavirus outbreak has strongly impacted the airline sector, the preservation of competitive market structures is essential to ensure that the recovery can be swift and strong. Markets should remain dynamic and competitive when travellers will again be able to fly over the Atlantic for holidays or to visit their beloved ones.
Every case has to be assessed on its facts and merits. In this case, the Commission investigated the extent to which the coronavirus crisis would impact Air Canada, Transat and their competitors' operations and based on the information available to date, reached the preliminary conclusion that in the long-run Air Canada and Transat would likely remain actual or potential competitors on the vast majority of the routes between the European Economic Area and Canada, which they both operated before the crisis.
But the article is not clear whether some of those jurisdictions are must-haves to the deal or not. It's possible that the merger agreement specifies that Korean, Japanese, Chinese, and US approvals are required to get the deal done, for example. Or it may say that Korean plus any other three are sufficient.
I also found an article from the Korea Herald in January saying that approval from all jurisdictions is required, so it's not entirely clear. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any of the transaction documents themselves. If someone could point me to them, I'd happily take a look and try to offer some analysis (as long as there are English versions of the documents).
Per above, it's not clear that EU approval is a necessary condition to this deal going through. If enough other jurisdictions approve, OZ and KE may simply proceed with the transaction and accept sanctions from the EU competition authorities.
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Originally Posted by According to the [url=https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2021/04/129_307372.html
Korea Times[/url], nine jurisdictions need to approve the deal (Korea, US, EU, China, Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, Turkey, and Thailand), (although I'm sure that the Korean approval is a must-have).
But the article is not clear whether some of those jurisdictions are must-haves to the deal or not. It's possible that the merger agreement specifies that Korean, Japanese, Chinese, and US approvals are required to get the deal done, for example. Or it may say that Korean plus any other three are sufficient.
I also found an article from the Korea Herald in January saying that approval from all jurisdictions is required, so it's not entirely clear. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any of the transaction documents themselves. If someone could point me to them, I'd happily take a look and try to offer some analysis (as long as there are English versions of the documents).
Per above, it's not clear that EU approval is a necessary condition to this deal going through. If enough other jurisdictions approve, OZ and KE may simply proceed with the transaction and accept sanctions from the EU competition authorities.
But the article is not clear whether some of those jurisdictions are must-haves to the deal or not. It's possible that the merger agreement specifies that Korean, Japanese, Chinese, and US approvals are required to get the deal done, for example. Or it may say that Korean plus any other three are sufficient.
I also found an article from the Korea Herald in January saying that approval from all jurisdictions is required, so it's not entirely clear. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any of the transaction documents themselves. If someone could point me to them, I'd happily take a look and try to offer some analysis (as long as there are English versions of the documents).
Per above, it's not clear that EU approval is a necessary condition to this deal going through. If enough other jurisdictions approve, OZ and KE may simply proceed with the transaction and accept sanctions from the EU competition authorities.
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Here is a summary of what the EU can do (source):
Implementation before approval or after prohibition
The implementation of a transaction before approval or after prohibition can lead to a fine of up to 10% of the aggregate worldwide turnover. The Commission can also take measures to restore or maintain effective competition, which could include an order to dissolve the concentration.
(Note that the last bit would not be applicable here, as the EU's powers will be confined to its own borders)
"Tak[ing] measures to restore or maintain effective competition" could include preventing the merged entity from flying to the EU altogether, or it could involve taking away some (but not all) slots and giving them to other airlines to start competing services, or other measures that are less than barring all flights to the EU.
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The implementation of a transaction before approval or after prohibition can lead to a fine of up to 10% of the aggregate worldwide turnover. The Commission can also take measures to restore or maintain effective competition, which could include an order to dissolve the concentration.
(Note that the last bit would not be applicable here, as the EU's powers will be confined to its own borders)
(Note that the last bit would not be applicable here, as the EU's powers will be confined to its own borders)
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If the EU is being pragmatic, I suspect they'll negotiate certain remedies with KE/OZ to address whatever competition issues their review uncovers, and approve the deal. If the deal can go ahead with or without them (which, as I said above, isn't totally clear), it's likely better to extract some concessions rather than forcing the merged entity out of the market altogether, which would likely be even worse for EU citizens than KE having a monopoly on some routes.
This differs from the AC-TS deal cited by several others above. Europe represents a huge portion of TS's business, as well as AC's, so there was no way to do a deal without EU approval.
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This merger and acquisition deal is in jeopardy as EU antitrust authority denied similar case of merger between Air Canada and Air tranjet. Air tranjet is third ranking international carrier within Canada market. They denied (actually required major adjustment on merger condition but Air Canada declined to accept and gave up) based on price hike and monopoly potential.
Asiana merger has same worry and even worse, there will be disruption on Star Alliance carrier through ICN hub.
Recently, UA focused to ICN rather than any other far east hub in the area.
Asiana merger has same worry and even worse, there will be disruption on Star Alliance carrier through ICN hub.
Recently, UA focused to ICN rather than any other far east hub in the area.
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I believe the EU competition authorities are also allowed to consider the likely consequences of them saying No as well. So, OZ potentially going under as a result of the application getting knocked back and the flow on impacts of that is something they'll be thinking about too.
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Yes, the EU competition authorities can make whatever orders they like. My point was that they don't have jurisdiction in Korea, so if they order a breakup, it's unlikely to be enforceable, meaning the consequences are likely limited to preventing the merged entity from flying to the EU.
I mean, they could prevent the merger of any EU-based subsidiaries (for example, any entities they may have used to hire local ground staff if they have any). It’d be a minor inconvenience but one nonetheless. That’s assuming they can’t reach further up the ownership chain and ask things of The rest of the associated chaebol.
Wasn't HDC originally going to be the buyer before KE was basically steered towards merging?
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Do anyone have this data?
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Yes, the EU competition authorities can make whatever orders they like. My point was that they don't have jurisdiction in Korea, so if they order a breakup, it's unlikely to be enforceable, meaning the consequences are likely limited to preventing the merged entity from flying to the EU.
Clearly, if the entity has no interest in the EU market whatsoever, then they will not be particularly concerned by what the EU competition authorities decide. However, if they still want to fly to the EU, then they have no choice but to comply.
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It's possible that there's viewed to be attractive enough connection options, or threat of competition from UA/AA, that the regulators will approve it, or that KE/OZ will be able to offer concessions that placate the regulators about the anti-competitive effects.
I believe the EU competition authorities are also allowed to consider the likely consequences of them saying No as well. So, OZ potentially going under as a result of the application getting knocked back and the flow on impacts of that is something they'll be thinking about too.
That’s assuming they can’t reach further up the ownership chain and ask things of The rest of the associated chaebol.
But if the entity does not fly into the EU, then the problem disappears as there is no longer a breach of EU competition law. If the entity still wants to fly into the EU, then it would have no choice than to comply with the de-merger decision, hence the notion that such a decision would be unenforceable outside the EU is entirely irrelevant. There is no major issue with enforcement if they keep on flying in the EU (there are various ways to ensure enforcement in this situation) and the issue disappears if they don't fly in to the EU.
Clearly, if the entity has no interest in the EU market whatsoever, then they will not be particularly concerned by what the EU competition authorities decide. However, if they still want to fly to the EU, then they have no choice but to comply.
Clearly, if the entity has no interest in the EU market whatsoever, then they will not be particularly concerned by what the EU competition authorities decide. However, if they still want to fly to the EU, then they have no choice but to comply.
Regardless, I think we may be expending more energy on this than is really warranted, because there's not a huge amount of overlap. As far as I can tell, the merger likely only impacts CDG, FRA, and FCO (LHR is now out of EU jurisdiction, so would be a matter for UK regulators rather than EU). It's not like there are dozens of routes that would be of concern to regulators. For reference, the AC-TS case that ran in to difficulties with the EU earlier this year had over 30 markets that were of concern.