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PHX Links
Official Website of Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport
PHX Sky Harbor: Frequently Asked Questions pages(Dining, shops, parking, art, museum)
Link to archived posts 2009-2013.This is to give travelers an idea how to navigate through PHX (locals call it "Sky Harbor").

NOTE: There are an increasing number of flights arriving at Phoenix/Mesa Gateway airport (the former Williams Air Force Base). This is NOT PHX/Sky Harbor. Typically Allegiant and charter flights will arrive/depart from Gateway. Official Website of Phoenix-Mesa/Gateway Airport.

PHX Terminal 4 - AA uses the four concourses shown as "A" and "B"
The terminal map website is PHX T4 Map It includes terminal maps plus shops and restaurants by terminal.


AA in PHX
AA operates flights out of Terminal 4 (also called the Barry Goldwater Terminal), concourses A and B (basically the North side of T4). There are four concourses on the north side of terminal 4. The west two are the A concourses, and the east two are the B concourses. They are served by the A and B security checkpoints respectively.

The A and B concourses are divided into low and high, based on the gate numbers. The low A and B gates are directly across from the the security checkpoints. The high A and B require a trip down a walkway.
  • Low A: Gates A1-A14
  • High A: Gates A15-A30
  • Low B: Gates B1-B14
  • High B: Gates B15-B28

General Rules for Gates
  • International flights (from Mexico and SJD) will arrive in the High B's area, as do other carrier international flights (BA from LHR) and depart ~B25
  • While international flights (from other than YVR/YYC/YEG/YYZ) park at the high B gates, pax will pass through customs underneath the concourse and must exit outside the B security checkpoint and re-clear security for further flights.
  • Flights from Mexico and Costa Rica will arrive at gates B23-B28 (Gate B22 is about to become an international arrival gate as well) and go down two levels to go through customs, et al, and will deposit outside security checkpoint B. Giving yourself an average of 45 min just to get from off the plane to the checkpoint is a good estimate. If your flight arrived at the same time as British Airways add another 30 min to that estimate.
  • Eagle operated flights will depart only from Gates B1, B3, B5, B7, B9, B15, B16, B17, B18, B19, B20, B21, B22, and sometimes B24.
  • Early and late night flights (first bank in the AM and red eyes to PHL, CLT, JFK, BOS, etc), usually leave from the low A concourse, gates 1-14 (more likely the end of that 10-14)
  • Note some gates are close to each other and announcements can be confusing due to their proximity.

Check-in
At PHX, you must be checked in:
  • At least 45 minutes before scheduled departure, for flights within the United States
  • At least 60 minutes before scheduled departure, for flights to airports outside of the United States
American Airlines has check-in on the North side of the check-in level of T4 (across from Southwest).
  • AA Executive Platinum / oneworld Emeralds Elites can use the First Class check-in, located towards the middle of the check-in level (note: it is sometimes faster to use the non-elite kiosk area)
  • Non-elites have options of the main full-service ticketing line, or using one of the many kiosks towards the West end of the ticketing level (under the A concourse)
  • If you've done online check-in, there is a desk on the right side of the kiosks that can do bags only (however, I've found it sometimes easier to just use a regular kiosk)
  • International travel has its own check-in, toward the East side of the check-in level, marked by balloons
  • Group travel also has its own marked check-in at the far East side of the check-in level
  • There are also kiosks by every security check point (very convenient for checked baggage free travelers)

Security
Security wait times can vary widely both by time/day and by concourse. Generally, wait times seem to be longer at the B gates, but that is my personal experience.
AA has priority lines at both of the A and B security checkpoints in T4. Some days, it could be a wash or even longer, while others it can save a considerable amount of time. Personally, as a AA elite, I've never had to wait more than 5 minutes.
If non-elite, waits vary considerably. Ig is possible to wait for 45+ minutes.


Connection Times
Domestic Connections
  • MCT Domestic AA to AA is 0:25, AAdomestic to AA or AY is 0:25. A reasonable 45 minute scheduled connection time should be sufficient for domestic connections (ie: SFO-PHX-BOS or ORD-PHX-MRY)
  • STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.
    ONLINE 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00
    OFFLINE 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00
    ** OR * ARE ALL
    AA-AA ID 1.30 FLT 6100 - 6779 - FLT 1 - 6099
    AA-AA ID .25 CANADA - ALL
    AA-AA ID 1.00
    AA-** ID 2.30

Connecting flight info monitors can be found at the start of each concourse, except for the High B concourse, then also at the following locations -
High A concourse: in front of gates A19, A23 & A24;
Low A concourse: in front of gates A3, A5, above the payphones between A8 & A10;
Low B concourse: in front of gates B3, B5, B10;
High B concourse: across from the Cinnabon, in front of gates B19 & B21.

It takes an average of 5 minutes to walk the length of a concourse, ie: from Gate A17 down to Gate A30, etc. If you are going from one concourse to another it takes 5 minutes if you just sit on the moving sidewalks and let the machine haul you (sometimes out for repair). So to get from Gate A30 to: Gate A13 would take about 15 min; to Gate B13 - 20 min and to Gate B28 - 30 min. Walking on the moving sidewalks will cut the time down by about 40%. Just remember - when on the moving sidewalks, in the USA we stand on the right, walk on the left and if you look down on the start platform of each one you will see images reminding you that NO strollers, wheelchairs or baggage trollies are allowed on the moving sidewalks.

Passenger Assistance Counters can be found next to Gates A19, A4, B4 and B19.


Baggage Storage
"Unfortunately, due to federal security restrictions imposed by the Transportation Security Administration, we do not offer any storage at the airport. We recommend that you check with the airline you are flying to see how early you can check in your luggage or other items.”


Transportation
Parking
PHX-Sky Harbor Airport operates long-term parking (East and West economy lots) as well as in-terminal parking. More info here
However, it is becoming more common to use off-airport parking. There are several companies including (but not limited to): PreFlight, FastTrack, and Parking Spot. Discounts abound, and it can be less for covered parking off-airport than non-covered in an economy lot.

Rental Cars
PHX Airport Rental Cars
There is a single airport rental car center located about 3 miles West of the airport. A single shuttle makes rounds from the terminals to the center.
Note: you may save some money (could be rather significant) if you rent from an off-airport location. With the Phoenix light rail, it may be possible to take the rail and/or have them pick you up. Alternatively, some hotels (especially resorts) have a car rental desk on-site.

Taxi
Taxi – a minimum $15 to leave the airport (others, help me out).

Public Transportation
Bus & Light Rail information and Schedules
PHX Sky Train connects the terminals, economy parking, the rental car center, and the light rail.


Food, Drinks & Lounges
Where to Eat
Inside Security
Low A Concourse has Modern Burger, Olive & Ivy and Panda Express; table service is at Blanco Tacos & Tequila.
High A Concourse has Delux, Humble Pie Pizza and Pei Wei; table service is at Four Peaks Brewery.
Low B Concourse has Burger King, Carvel, Pizza Hut, Quizzno's, and Starbucks; table service at The Roadhouse 66.
High B Concourse has Cinabonn, Kokopelli Deli, TCBY, Pretzel Yetzel, Pizza Hut; table service at the Home Turf. Outside Security If one has sufficient time between connecting flights or before a flight, the food selection, variety and quality is far superior outside of security than inside it. The area outside of security at gate level has undergone major renovations over the past few years.

Coffee
There is one Starbucks in PHX AA Terminal area, in High B. Peets is just off of the moving walkway as you approach the High A side.


Any other recommendations?
Lounges
Admirals Club
There are three lounges in PHX, one each in the low A and low B, and one in the high A area. Unless you have a flight from nearby, I would recommend NOT using the High A lounge; it is small and can get extremely crowded. From personal experience, the B lounge is generally not as busy as the others. (Note: check the LOUNGE DASHBOARD for information about lounge closures for refurbishment.)

Other Lounges
The Centurion Lounge is located across from Gate B21 and open 9AM to 7PM. Must be an American Express Platinum card holder to enter.
The Escape Lounge is also located across from Gate B21 and is open 8AM to 8PM. American Express Platinum card holders get free access, $40/day fee prebooked, $45/day walk-up fee.

Shower Facilities
"We do have very limited shower facilities. In Terminal 4 on the east end of Level 1 (baggage claim), the ladies and men's restrooms each have one shower stall. There is no fee for the use of these stalls. These are the only public showers in the Airport. All of our family restrooms have showers, but they are not intended for use by the general public. They are for people with special needs or passengers who are traveling with small children who have an unexpected need for shower facilities."

The "family restroom" with shower in T4 is located next to the men's room across from Gate A17; as mentioned, this restroom is not intended for general public use other than as noted.


Miscellaneous
Services
  • There is a Currency Exchange cart near Cinnabon, next to Gate B15, on the high B concourse. It has limited hours.
  • Shoe Shine Stand are located next to Gates A17 and B15.
  • The Duty Free store can be found next to Gate B17.

Other Airlines/Changing Terminals
Southwest, British Airways, AeroMexico all share T4 with American Airlines. It can be challenging getting from a high A gate to the new WN D gates behind security; there is a bridge from the high B area that connects with C (Southwest's area).
Other airlines/terminals:
Terminal 2: United (with a United Club) and others are in the 'old' terminal (there is no longer a T1).
T2 info
Terminal 3: T3 info
Getting between the terminals can be a chore. You must first exit security, then take the Sky Train between Terminals 3 and 4. There is a walkway between Terminals 2 and 3. Just follow the signs.

Wireless Internet
"Free Wi-Fi is provided in all terminals on both sides of security, in retail and restaurant areas and near the gates. Laptops or other devices configured to operate in a wireless mode will automatically connect to the Internet when powered up near the shops and gates."


Layover Q&A
Do I have time to go into town?If your layover is more than three hours (and I’m sure this is debatable), you may have time for a quick trip into the city.

What to do in town? How do I get there?
Downtown Tempe/Mill Ave

See: US Airways HQ (company store open to public), Tempe Town Lake (boat rentals, fishing, walk/run paths), 'A' Mountain (an easy climb), as well as a multitude of restaurants, bars, shops....oh and don't forget ASU, including Sun Devil Stadium
Eat: House of Tricks, Culinary Dropout
Go: Easy via PHX Sky Train to light rail, rail to either Mill Ave or Stadium stops. Rail cost is currently $2.00 each way/$4.00 for All-Day pass.

Downtown Phoenix

See: The Arizona Center, Chase Field (where the Diamondbacks play, but most locals still call it, "BOB"), Talking Stick Resort Arena (where the Phoenix Suns play, but most locals still call it, "AWA" or, "America West Arena")
Eat: Pizzaria Bianco (the 'best' pizza in the USA), Hard Rock Cafe, Alice Cooperstown, Arrogant Butcher, Durant's
Go: Although it is possible to take the rail, the easiest way is cab. Bus also goes, depending on day of week/time of day.

Old Town Scottsdale

See: Fashion Square Mall, art galleries, restaurants, shops
Go: Easiest by cab. Possible by bus (with connection).

Phoenix Zoo/Botanical Gardens

Possible via PHX Sky Train to rail (stop Priest/Washington) to bus or about a mile walk from rail. Easiest via cab.

Biltmore Shopping Center

Outdoor shopping mall, many shops and restaurants. Possible via bus (with connection), easiest by cab.

Is the Phoenix area safe?
In a word, yes. If you are going during daylight hours and are headed to any of the tourist locations you’ll be fine. Areas such as South Phoenix “may” be risky.

If you are going at night, the same areas that are safe during the day should be okay at night.

Can I get from PHX to Tucson? How long will it take and how expensive will it be?
With no traffic, driving from PHX to Tucson is roughly 2 hours. Although you will be traveling on a heavily used section of I-10, traffic usually moves. That said, if there is an accident, chaos and scrambling for any alternate (of which there are few) will happen. Rush hour will also impact this drive. The two cities seem to be growing closer and closer together. There is a rest stop about 15 miles past the Phoenix area. Casa Grande and Eloy also make good pit stops along the route.
{anyone have info on public transit}

Can I get from PHX to Sedona/Flagstaff/the Grand Canyon? How long will it take?
With no traffic, driving from PHX to points north is an extremely scenic drive. The I-17 has some nice climbs/downhills and it should be about 1-1/2 hour to Camp Verde (Verde Valley), a great place to stop. From there--
Flagstaff, another hour (about 2-1/2 to 3 hours total).
Sedona, around 30-45 minutes (the AZ-179 has been under construction for years it seems), about 2 to 2-1/2 hours total
Grand Canyon--you have 2 choices, go through Flagstaff or take the I-40 West and through Williams. Nothing against Williams, but I find the Flagstaff route nicer (and more options for stopping). Plan for 4-5 hours from PHX to the South Entrance, or 5-6 hours to the East Entrance (a bit further but worth the effort during busy periods).
{anyone have info on public transit}

Can I get from PHX to Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego? What are my options?
While it certainly is possible to drive between PHX and these areas (many in the PHX area do it daily), once outside the PHX area, drives can be long, through vast stretches of nothingness. Flights from PHX to these areas are usually about 1 hour (-v- 5+ hours driving) and rather reasonable in price. For trips to Vegas, Hoover Dam crossing can add 30+ minutes to the drive.

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Old Nov 17, 2015, 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by aztimm
There's been plenty of chatter about the expansion of PHX here in the metro area nearly as long as I've lived here. It is landlocked, and expansion of the current site is rather limited.
The problem isn't the space, it's the current terminal arrangement, of which originally dates back to the early 60s.

They really need a 4th runway, and the city had researched buying land just north of the existing airport property, but Honeywell and the greyhound racetrack/swap meet haven't been too keen on relocating.
Not as long as the NIMBY's continue to b***h about airport noise.

There's been some discussion of abandoning Sky Harbor and doing something similar to Denver, and putting a brand new airport near Casa Grande. There would be plenty of land, but it would be a haul to downtown PHX, and a major PITA for those on the west side of town.
This would also draw down traffic to TUS, as Casa Grande wouldn't be much further to some than the drive to TUS.
I don't know what "discussion" that is, but I doubt it's credible. The airport planning commission has a long range plan that goes out at least thirty years from now. Renovating T3, demolishing T2, running Skytrain eventually all the way to the rental car satellite, etc.

At any rate, PHX would be wise to see what happens with this AA/US merger before they commit to any more expansion. And of course, there's always AZA.

As for the current state of PHX, the rumor is that T2 will get torn down. There's been rumors of temporarily moving those airlines (UA, AS, and maybe some others) to T3, then doing a rebuild of T2.
It's not a rumor, T2 will be demolished after T3 is renovated and then those airlines will be moving over into the newly expanded T3. That's also why Skytrain wasn't run to T2. It's a lame duck.

When I first moved to AZ in 1995, T4 seemed quite modern...but it hasn't been kept up as well as other airports.
Matter of opinion, I guess. I lived in STL prior to this and Sky Harbor makes Lambert look like the dungeon that it is. T4 is efficient to use and has a great selection of shops and restaurants.

Much (well about half) of T4 is a relic of America West at its heyday (and the other half Southwest). The lounges were built as America West lounges, converted to US Airways lounges (US Air was gone before the HP-US merger), and are now converting yet again.
I completely agree with this. The ACs at PHX aren't to the same standards the rest of the system is at and I don't know that there's much they can do to improve them within the current architectural constraints.
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Old Nov 17, 2015, 10:15 pm
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Originally Posted by aztimm
They really need a 4th runway, and the city had researched buying land just north of the existing airport property, but Honeywell and the greyhound racetrack/swap meet haven't been too keen on relocating.
The city could easily condemn that strip of land using eminent domain. The buildings are old and need replacement. Win-win, Honeywell gets a new factory for free. The Union Pacific tracks might be more difficult to move.

There's been some discussion of abandoning Sky Harbor and doing something similar to Denver, and putting a brand new airport near Casa Grande. There would be plenty of land, but it would be a haul to downtown PHX, and a major PITA for those on the west side of town.
This would also draw down traffic to TUS, as Casa Grande wouldn't be much further to some than the drive to TUS.
Yes, a mega-airport in CGZ was going to replace PHX and TUS with bullet trains connecting the cities, but that was beaten to death in the 1970s never to be heard from again.

everyone seems to want to be in T4. I don't see any really major, long-term improvements to T4 until the whole T2-T3 situation is fixed
Since T4 opened the N1 and S4 (high A and high C) concourses were added. The master plan calls for a S1 (high D) concourse which awaits funding and construction. Probably would be used by WN.
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Old Dec 8, 2015, 1:39 pm
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int-int connection at PHX - MCT?

My BA289 flight has been rescheduled by 10 min; new arrival time is 5:25PM Connecting to AA619 to MEX at 6:50PM.

I doubt 1:25 is a valid connection at PHX. But apparently neither AA nor BA has noticed the MCT issue as the BA flight is confirmed (rather than "confirmed - time change") on CMT.
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Old Dec 8, 2015, 7:48 pm
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Originally Posted by SK AAR
My BA289 flight has been rescheduled by 10 min; new arrival time is 5:25PM Connecting to AA619 to MEX at 6:50PM.

I doubt 1:25 is a valid connection at PHX. But apparently neither AA nor BA has noticed the MCT issue as the BA flight is confirmed (rather than "confirmed - time change") on CMT.
MCT for Intl-Domestic BA-AA at PHX is 1:30. Or at least that's what EF appears to show. See below.

STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.
ONLINE 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00
OFFLINE 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00
** OR * ARE ALL
BA-AA ID 1.30 ALL - FLT 1 - 5999
BA-** ID 1.30
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Old Dec 8, 2015, 8:31 pm
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It may not be valid but if there's one airport I'd feel comfortable trying to do that at, it's Phoenix. Especially if you'll be towards front of BA plane and have Global Entry. I typically get from gate to curb in 15 minutes with GE, that's without checking baggage of course...
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Old Dec 9, 2015, 2:27 am
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Thanks. We will be in F but with checked luggage and without Global Entry (we are not US citizens)

It appears that AA has not yet updated their schedules as the BA flight is still listed with old departure and arrival times under the AA codeshare No. (but new departure and arrival times if booked with BA flight No. on AA.com ). This may be the reason that we have received no alert from AA about the invalid connection/violation of MCT at PHX due to schedule change.
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Old Dec 9, 2015, 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by SK AAR
Thanks. We will be in F but with checked luggage and without Global Entry (we are not US citizens)

It appears that AA has not yet updated their schedules as the BA flight is still listed with old departure and arrival times under the AA codeshare No. (but new departure and arrival times if booked with BA flight No. on AA.com ). This may be the reason that we have received no alert from AA about the invalid connection/violation of MCT at PHX due to schedule change.
But that is I-I so wouldn't it be 60 minutes. I don't see an exception to the standard for I-I.
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Old Dec 9, 2015, 6:38 am
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If true, this is very interesting.

So BA to AA, I-D is 90 min, whereas BA to AA, I-I is only 60 min? Surely, it makes little sense that MCT for I-I should be 30 min less than for I-D. US immigration, customs etc upon arrival is the same
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Old Dec 9, 2015, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by SK AAR
If true, this is very interesting.

So BA to AA, I-D is 90 min, whereas BA to AA, I-I is only 60 min? Surely, it makes little sense that MCT for I-I should be 30 min less than for I-D. US immigration, customs etc upon arrival is the same
Did you buy your ticket from AA or BA? I'd contact the ticketing carrier ASAP and ask for something that works for you, since it sounds like you aren't comfortable with the reduced connection time.
Perhaps there's a LHR-DFW-MEX option that would allow enough time.

When you call, it would help to have specific flights (with flight numbers) to provide to the agent you speak with.
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Old Dec 9, 2015, 12:46 pm
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It is AA ticket stock.

I'm fine with the schedule change. Most likely we will still make the connection if the BA flight is on time; if we don't it is not a disaster (and one benefit would be paid care and EU 261/04 compensation if BA flight is late and no extraordinary circumstances apply).

I'm just curious whether MCT is still ok or violated after the schedule change. And puzzled why we haven't heard from AA if the connection is no longer valid.

Yes, LHR-DFW-MEX is an option but an ancient AA 772 is certainly not our preferred TATL flight (sorry).
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Old Dec 14, 2015, 1:46 pm
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If true, this is very interesting.

So BA to AA, I-D is 90 min, whereas BA to AA, I-I is only 60 min? Surely, it makes little sense that MCT for I-I should be 30 min less than for I-D. US immigration, customs etc upon arrival is the same
To answer my own Q: Apparently MCT BA to AA, I-I is 90 min as AA has updated their time schedule/our itinerary and rebooked our AA PHX-MEX flight for the following day (due to violation of MCT at PHX)

Though no word (email or phone call) from AA yet. I guess it is time to call AA for rebooking...
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Old Dec 14, 2015, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by SK AAR

Yes, LHR-DFW-MEX is an option but an ancient AA 772 is certainly not our preferred TATL flight (sorry).
In the interest of pedantic accuracy here, AA flies the 77W on DFW-LHR which are virtually brand new and have excellent hard products and AA's 772 fleet is collectively younger than BA's 744 fleet. BA is still operating 747s from the early 1990s. AA's oldest 772 was delivered in 1999.
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Old Dec 16, 2015, 7:37 am
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Originally Posted by SK AAR
To answer my own Q: Apparently MCT BA to AA, I-I is 90 min as AA has updated their time schedule/our itinerary and rebooked our AA PHX-MEX flight for the following day (due to violation of MCT at PHX)

Though no word (email or phone call) from AA yet. I guess it is time to call AA for rebooking...
Doesn't BA fly LHR-MEX nonstop? I'd call AA and just try to get on that. Unless you need the miles.
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Old Dec 20, 2015, 12:34 am
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Originally Posted by aztimm
Doesn't BA fly LHR-MEX nonstop? I'd call AA and just try to get on that. Unless you need the miles.
I called AA for the rebooking.

First agent insisted that she needed to transfer me to BA as the schedule change was on their flight. My AA ticket stock argument made no impression. HUCA.

With the 2nd agent, I pleaded for the direct LHR-MEX flight on BA, but it didn't show up on her screen (apparently bcoz there is no AA flight No for this BA flight) and this idea had to be abandoned. Getting us rebooked via LAX on the BA A380 flagship and a day earlier was no issue though ^
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Old Dec 20, 2015, 12:40 am
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Originally Posted by WRCSolberg
In the interest of pedantic accuracy here, AA flies the 77W on DFW-LHR which are virtually brand new and have excellent hard products and AA's 772 fleet is collectively younger than BA's 744 fleet. BA is still operating 747s from the early 1990s. AA's oldest 772 was delivered in 1999.
To add to the accuracy, AA has 2 daily flights LHR to DFW on their own metal. The morning flight is on B77W, however, the afternoon flight is still on B772.

When in F, I would choose a BA 744 flight over a AA 772 flight any day.
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