AAdvantage Program Changes for 2024-2025
#136




Join Date: Oct 2019
Programs: Flying Blue, Hilton Honors, Amtrak Guest Rewards
Posts: 3,647
you get to pick two. if you go for the charitable contribution thats 500 clams, 400 after tax deduction.
but you can also go for 60k points. thats half of a saver international j award. the cost basis for that has GOT to be well over $400. Heck even if you dont ascribe more fuel burn to premium seats, just the jet A costs more than that for a seat, let alone staff, equipment depreciation, etc.
but you can also go for 60k points. thats half of a saver international j award. the cost basis for that has GOT to be well over $400. Heck even if you dont ascribe more fuel burn to premium seats, just the jet A costs more than that for a seat, let alone staff, equipment depreciation, etc.
#137




Join Date: Jan 2014
Programs: Amtrak Guest Rewards (SE), Virgin America Elevate, Hyatt Gold Passport (Platinum), VIA Preference
Posts: 3,642
[Or, given everything else, just admit that big CC spenders make more for them and count the miles at some reduced rate going forward?]
#139


Join Date: Apr 2017
Programs: Bonvoy ambassador - lifetime plat / Hilton diamond / hyatt globalist / AA CK baby!
Posts: 1,505
The costs you list do have something in common: they're 99+% the same whether the seat gets filled or not. The marginal cost of an extra body and their baggage across the Atlantic is low-/mid-three figure dollars (that's basically what airlines sell/barter partner one-way J awards to each other for... this accounting of having the FF programs buy awards at not much more the marginal cost also creates the fictional facts/factual fictions about the relative profitability of the metal tubes business vs. the bank customer acquisition business (the God's honest truth: it ain't that simple)).
#140




Join Date: Sep 2009
Programs: AA Executive Platinum, Marriott Lifetime Titanium, IHG Platinum
Posts: 2,425
#141
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 23
possibly a bit of both. Only AAdvantage members will be able to use 24 hour holds in the near future. The speculative part is that theyll likely enforce that by requiring the member to login (which will populate their member number in reservations). By design and from experience, AA will prevent identical reservations for the same
AAdvantage number.
AAdvantage number.
#142
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: RDU <|> MMX
Programs: AA EXP 2MM, SK EBS
Posts: 15,192
possibly a bit of both. Only AAdvantage members will be able to use 24 hour holds in the near future. The speculative part is that theyll likely enforce that by requiring the member to login (which will populate their member number in reservations). By design and from experience, AA will prevent identical reservations for the same
AAdvantage number.
AAdvantage number.
What will happen is if you have duplicate reservation on hold then one (or possibly both) has always been subject to cancellation when the system does overnight sweeps.
So requiring an AA# on the reservation in order to put it on hold isn't going to change anything in this regard.
#143


Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: LAX
Posts: 1,212
As an FYI SWUs have a book value of about $100 internally at AA and those funds do get allocated to the revenue manager(s) responsible for monetizing those market(s). If a single SWU is applied to multiple flights, the $100 or so gets split between the applicable markets. This isn't published online anywhere to the best of my knowledge, but I have a friend in AA revenue management who told me this.
As others have pointed out you can also get miles and trip credits that can be up to $500 or more if you also have an AA cobranded credit card.
As others have pointed out you can also get miles and trip credits that can be up to $500 or more if you also have an AA cobranded credit card.
The costs you list do have something in common: they're 99+% the same whether the seat gets filled or not. The marginal cost of an extra body and their baggage across the Atlantic is low-/mid-three figure dollars (that's basically what airlines sell/barter partner one-way J awards to each other for... this accounting of having the FF programs buy awards at not much more the marginal cost also creates the fictional facts/factual fictions about the relative profitability of the metal tubes business vs. the bank customer acquisition business (the God's honest truth: it ain't that simple)).
Last edited by JFKLAX321; Jan 11, 2024 at 8:19 am Reason: adding response to another post
#144




Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New York City + Vail, CO
Programs: American Airlines Executive Platinum, Marriott Bonvoy Ambassador Elite
Posts: 4,251
The "book value" of an SWU has nothing to do with the real value of an SWU. People will value each of these awards very differently. I couldn't imagine picking anything other than SWUs, but I get a lot of value out of them--certainly more than $125 (half of trip credit) / 15k miles (half of miles credit) worth. I can see how others wouldn't though. And that is why it's nice AA offers choices.
Agree with all of this. You also have to keep in mind that AA doesn't value miles based entirely on what well-informed, value-minded flyertalk members redeem miles for. They value the miles in the aggregate, taking into account how everyone redeems their miles. Most people don't redeem wisely, and that means the overall liability of miles is much less than that of a cherrypicked scenario when someone redeems a one-way in J to Europe or Asia for under 100,000 miles (which--at least from the west coast--takes work to find).
Agree with all of this. You also have to keep in mind that AA doesn't value miles based entirely on what well-informed, value-minded flyertalk members redeem miles for. They value the miles in the aggregate, taking into account how everyone redeems their miles. Most people don't redeem wisely, and that means the overall liability of miles is much less than that of a cherrypicked scenario when someone redeems a one-way in J to Europe or Asia for under 100,000 miles (which--at least from the west coast--takes work to find).
#145




Join Date: Jan 2014
Programs: Amtrak Guest Rewards (SE), Virgin America Elevate, Hyatt Gold Passport (Platinum), VIA Preference
Posts: 3,642
I think the general point is that while there's a book value, it's not "nothing" but also not "substantial" in the sense that it seemed was implied.
#146
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Wanting First. Buying First.
Programs: Lifetime Executive Diamond Platinum VIP with Braniff, Eastern, Midway, National & Pan Am
Posts: 22,015
Bottom line: moving $100 in funny money from one pocket to another via transfer pricing wouldn't impact AA's cash flow.
As for what I would pay for an SWU? Different question entirely. Depends on one's willingness to travel in Y. If one is completely unwilling to fly in Y, then an SWU only has value to the passenger if it can be confirmed at time of booking.
#148



Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: The Land of Pleasant Living
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, AA ExecPlat, Amtrak Select Exec, former WN apologist
Posts: 1,939
Would 5-day award holds going away even be a big negative? Couldn't you just book an award and then cancel it within 5 days (or even later) with no penalty?
#149


Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: LAX
Posts: 1,212
Apologies to the extent I made it seem like I disagreed with you. I don't, and I didn't mean to imply that there was no book value / "cost" to AA for SWUs. As just a general matter, AA's financial statements suggest liabilities of over $3 billion for the AAdvantage program (with just over 9 billion miles in circulation), so they're definitely not treating these types of elite benefits as giveaways either.
#150


Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: LAX
Posts: 1,212
Not if you don't have the miles yet. It's less of an issue with AA since there aren't many transfer partners, but there are situations where it could be useful (e.g., Marriott transfers).


