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Old Jan 1, 2024, 5:53 pm
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Awards: All Cathay Pacific / CX (Including First and Business Class)
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NOTE: Multiple reports starting in June 2021 that CX is allowing only a 24 hour hold and could cancel reservations not being ticketed beyond 24 hours.

Please feel free to use this thread for questions regarding CX Economy, Premium Economy, First and Business Class award redemption using AAdvantage miles, as well as questions regarding award availability, routings and related issues. Please go to the Cathay Pacific Asia Miles Forum to discuss or ask about meals, equipment, service, etc. on CX, as there is an existing wealth of information there - and this is the American Airlines AAdvantage Forum .

AA Flight award chart for oneworld® and partner airlines

Other related threads that may be of interest:

FT Discrepancy between CX Award Search and AA availability: Discrepancy between QF and CX award search and AA availability

FT How , When to Select CX Seats on CX Award: How / when to select seat on a Cathay (CX) award / flight (consolidated)

FT Cathay Pacific Experience - Seats / Interline/ Baggage FAQs: Cathay Pacific Experience / Seats / Interline / Baggage FAQs

Also, for Rules about awards, see AA oneworld and Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (2015 on).

Expert Advice:

Only "MileSAAver" awards apply to oneworld and AA partners.
Premium Economy seats are not available with AAdvantage awards, may be soon as AA sells Premium Economy Feb 2017.

Be aware that what you see on the BA, JL, or QF sites may not be visible to the AA reservations folks. You may want to note the flight on which the F award seat is shown as "available" on those sites and if the AA agent doesn't see any availability suggest that the AA agent check that specific one again. If the AA agent still cannot see it, thank them, hang up, and call back a little later.

Sometimes CX will make flights available for award booking to CX frequent flyers, but not release the seats immediately for other oneworld frequent flyers. Usually though, the seats, if not taken by CX frequent flyers, are released after a while to other OW programs.

Although CX may release seats for award earlier, AA can book them no more than 331 days prior to departure. The awards that CX does release are available as early as 355 days prior to departure for CX and BA frequent fliers, and sometimes that means the awards you want w AA miles will be snatched up prior to the 331 day mark.

*** AA does not have a set schedule to load flights. They can load it anytime after midnight 331 days out. Most of the time it is within a couple to 12 hours of that. Other times, it can be a full day or a day and a half afterwards, especially on the weekends where there's most variability. Unlike JL award space, it is not a specific time of day.

4Keep in mind that when booking eastbound space to North America that it's one day later in HKG so that space usually becomes available 330 days in advance to North America; this is not always true, since CX has already loaded the availability a month prior to AA - it is just up to AA to load and release the seats on SABRE, so it typically ends up being 330 days out, but not necessarily.

Similarly... if you are trying to book westbound, US->HKG->Somewhere then AA may not be able to book the HKG->Somewhere segment 331 days in advance of the US->HKG flight, if it is still 332 days out in HKG. As it is the flights from US->HKG that are hardest to get, if you find a seat US->HKG at the 331 day mark when it is first available for booking through AA but cannot book the continuation, you can just put that US->HKG segment on hold with AA, then call back the next day when connecting flights will be loaded into the system to try to book the onward flight from HKG.

AA does not charge "YQ" surcharges [what they sometimes call "fuel surcharge"] on CX award segments (BA Avios does), thus the taxes and fees on your "free" ticket on CX or KA are almost always significantly less than for the same routing on BA.

There is a Hong Kong Departure Tax (HK) of $120 HKD (approx $15.50 USD) on every segment departing Hong Kong. Exemptions apply. If your ticket includes this tax and you qualify for an exemption, a refund can be applied for either in person at HKIA landside or via post to Civil Aviation Department. AA charges this tax for children under 12 years of age despite the exemption. In order to obtain a cash refund at HKIA, you will need passenger passport, passenger boarding pass, passenger ticket receipt showing the fare calculation line which will show the HK tax being charged. This receipt can be obtained at any AA counter worldwide including HKIA as well as Airport Express in-town check-in (AA check-in). As the AA counter at HKIA operates only during limited hours, Airport Express in-town check-in would be the the convenient option.

Not all CX flights offer First class; CX Business is markedly different on long haul and regionally configured aircraft.

If you're looking for multiple seats in First on a particular flight but can find only some but not all that you're looking for, take what's available in F, then take the rest of the seats you want on J (if available) on the same flight, and check back periodically to see if an F seat has opened up for award. There is no additional charge (in money, although there will be in miles) to change to an award to a higher cabin of service (e.g., J to F, Y to F, Y to J) as long as the award keeps the same origin/destination airports.

Be aware your award must conform to some rules on a) MPM (Maximum Permitted Mileage - your award routing can not exceed 125% of the most direct routing available); a useful tool is Great Circle Mapper.

The Most Significant Carrier (transpacific usually, CX in most of these posts,) must offer a non-"constructed" fare between your origin and destination (you might find an unconstructed fare between DFW and SIN, but might not from Killeen to SIN).

If you can't pick your CX seats online, either due to them being blocked or you just want to call, you need to first get the CX PNR from AAdvantage at 1-800-882-8880. Then call CX at 1-800-233-2742. Some seats that are blocked on CX website are assignable via AA reservations. Close to departure AA can even assign 2A, 2K.

Note: if the Cathay Manage booking tool doesn't appear to recognize your CX PNR, you need to enter your first name AND middle name, separated by a space, in the "First Name" field.

AAward bookings containing CX flights that are put on hold will be restricted to only 24hrs, not the usual 5 days.

Frequently Asked Questions
What are the patterns for west coast routes?
Because LAX has 4 daily flights to HKG, it tends to be the easiest option for blocks of 3 or more J award seats. SFO and YVR only have 2 daily flights and even if 5 award seats were initially released at 355 days prior to departure, some of those may be gone by the time the 331 day mark rolls around. If you need 4 or 5 J award seats on these west coast routes, either use Avios to book at 355 days or consider routing through LAX where there may still be availability at 331 days out.

Can I visit my companion in First Class if I'm in Business Class?
"Up-cabin visits" are not permitted per CX policy, though have been granted under special circumstances. But putting crew in the awkward position of being asked to violate policy is generally frowned upon. Down-cabin visits are permitted ex-USA. However, on flights to the USA, down-cabin visits are not permitted and this rule is vigorously enforced.

Posts made between 2018-2022 may be read in here
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Posts made in 2016 may be read in ARCHIVE: AA Awards on Cathay Pacific (2016).
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Old May 6, 2024, 5:10 am
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I'm looking for AA metal SYD-LAX as I want to clear out my Asiamiles before they expire without a ridiculous surcharge. But I can't find a single award on AA for any date.
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Old May 6, 2024, 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by flyerguyvf
I'm looking for AA metal SYD-LAX as I want to clear out my Asiamiles before they expire without a ridiculous surcharge. But I can't find a single award on AA for any date.
In order for AA award space to be bookable via other programs like AsiaMiles you need the legacy sAAver award space to be open, T economy, U business, Z first. I see economy space open on just about every random date I search but not surprisingly first and business space is extremely limited to nonexistent on a route like SYD-LAX.
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Old May 6, 2024, 11:36 am
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Wondering if someone could help. Trying to book HKG to BKK business class on Cathay using my AA miles. I can see the same number of availability on both British Airways and Qantas but AA only displays main cabin. Called AA Customer Service and she, too, said on main cabin is available. Chatted as well and the same thing. A couple of weeks back while I called AA Customer Service and the rep on the other line was able to see available seats in business class. Any suggestions how I'd go about this issue? Thanks.
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Old May 6, 2024, 12:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Stingyguy
Wondering if someone could help. Trying to book HKG to BKK business class on Cathay using my AA miles. I can see the same number of availability on both British Airways and Qantas but AA only displays main cabin. Called AA Customer Service and she, too, said on main cabin is available. Chatted as well and the same thing. A couple of weeks back while I called AA Customer Service and the rep on the other line was able to see available seats in business class. Any suggestions how I'd go about this issue? Thanks.
This has been happening for a while now, CX is making space available to other partners like BA but not to AA. You can try HUCA, but if the space isn't available at aa.com, and a phone agent also can't see it, then there's not much else you can do.
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Old May 6, 2024, 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by JJeffrey
This has been happening for a while now, CX is making space available to other partners like BA but not to AA. You can try HUCA, but if the space isn't available at aa.com, and a phone agent also can't see it, then there's not much else you can do.
Yes, basically that's probably what I'll end up doing. Thanks.
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Old May 6, 2024, 4:57 pm
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Just a quick update. Called again a few minutes ago and got another agent. This time the agent was able to "see" business class seats availability exactly the same number as in BA and QF. I got a feeling that the agent I spoke to this morning was probably tier 1 (I got on hold for several minutes) but this time someone picked up the phone right away. I used the AA PP number provided on my elite status email. So FWIW, I think HUCA often works although it does not guarantee how many time you'd have to do it to get to an experienced or knowledgeable agent.
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Old May 6, 2024, 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Stingyguy
Just a quick update. Called again a few minutes ago and got another agent. This time the agent was able to "see" business class seats availability exactly the same number as in BA and QF. I got a feeling that the agent I spoke to this morning was probably tier 1 (I got on hold for several minutes) but this time someone picked up the phone right away. I used the AA PP number provided on my elite status email. So FWIW, I think HUCA often works although it does not guarantee how many time you'd have to do it to get to an experienced or knowledgeable agent.
Were you able to book a ticket in J?
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Old May 7, 2024, 1:05 am
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Were you able to book a ticket in J?
Yes that….

This whole time we could have just called in for CX J. No way
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Old May 7, 2024, 8:20 am
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Maybe that's how AA is discouraging redemption on other airlines. It's a system "bug."
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Old May 8, 2024, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by WannaTheater
Were you able to book a ticket in J?
Yes. The AA PP agent saw the available seats right away and the redemption miles is not that bad either. For my HKG - BKK in J it's only 22,500 miles (it should have been the same as MNL-HKG-BKK route). The AA agent does not see any available J space on the MNL-HKG leg, only Y and she would not book me a mixed ticket. For MNL-BKK in Y, AA has it for 17,500 points. CX has it for 7,500. Since I do not have any CX Asia Miles points, I went with AS which has the same number of points needed for MNL-HKG in Y. But even with my OWE elite status, I can't seem to select a seat on CX without being asked to pay for it. Wondering if this is normal.
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Old May 8, 2024, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by happiest_at_40000
This whole time we could have just called in for CX J. No way
I wonder if it only worked out for OP as this is a non-US route. Would be interesting to see if it also works for US-HKG, or reverse.
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Old May 8, 2024, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by WannaTheater
I wonder if it only worked out for OP as this is a non-US route. Would be interesting to see if it also works for US-HKG, or reverse.
Good question. In the past we got a really great redemption with AS on CX flights which was 50k before AS MP devaluation but those were mostly ghost availability. We can see it but can't book it.
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Old May 14, 2024, 6:38 am
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So, I am looking for a relatively simple award flight, BKK-HKG and right now nothing showing on AA's site. Does award space open up last minute typically? I know it is not a sure thing but curious if it is something that is typical.
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Old May 14, 2024, 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by mcgahat
So, I am looking for a relatively simple award flight, BKK-HKG and right now nothing showing on AA's site. Does award space open up last minute typically? I know it is not a sure thing but curious if it is something that is typical.
Hmmm, are you looking for J class ticket? What dates? Depending on the dates, I can see wide open awards available. On AA you can only book Main Cabin online. If you want J class, you will have to call but before doing so, confirm that award redemption is available by checking on BA site.
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Old May 14, 2024, 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by Stingyguy
Hmmm, are you looking for J class ticket? What dates? Depending on the dates, I can see wide open awards available. On AA you can only book Main Cabin online. If you want J class, you will have to call but before doing so, confirm that award redemption is available by checking on BA site.
Thanks, I did not realize that about J tickets, I am actually good with Y tickets on this relatively short flight. I am actually looking at May 25th for BKK-HKG and 27th for HKG-BKK. Just wondered if these historically opened up as the flight gets closer.
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