AA Systemwide Upgrade Issue
#1
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Join Date: Apr 2023
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AA Systemwide Upgrade Issue
I booked round-trip tickets to Japan from Miami back in July 2022. I used four systemwide upgrade for flights that had automatic clearing to business available which was confirmed when I booked through the agent. Recently a flight schedule change by American caused my scheduled flight from MIA-LAX to overlap with my scheduled LAX-HND flight.
American rebooked me for two days later than my original flight on a MIA-DFW-HND trip. We noticed that we were rebooked back into economy so I called. After three calls and 10+ hours with agents it was concluded that when the agent rebooked me, my systemwide upgrades fell off and that unfortunately because the original expiration date had passed they could not reapply them.
So essentially, I lost my upgraded seats and my systemwide upgrade due to their scheduling.
Anyone else ever had anything like this?
American rebooked me for two days later than my original flight on a MIA-DFW-HND trip. We noticed that we were rebooked back into economy so I called. After three calls and 10+ hours with agents it was concluded that when the agent rebooked me, my systemwide upgrades fell off and that unfortunately because the original expiration date had passed they could not reapply them.
So essentially, I lost my upgraded seats and my systemwide upgrade due to their scheduling.
Anyone else ever had anything like this?
#2
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I booked round-trip tickets to Japan from Miami back in July 2022. I used four systemwide upgrade for flights that had automatic clearing to business available which was confirmed when I booked through the agent. Recently a flight schedule change by American caused my scheduled flight from MIA-LAX to overlap with my scheduled LAX-HND flight.
American rebooked me for two days later than my original flight on a MIA-DFW-HND trip. We noticed that we were rebooked back into economy so I called. After three calls and 10+ hours with agents it was concluded that when the agent rebooked me, my systemwide upgrades fell off and that unfortunately because the original expiration date had passed they could not reapply them.
So essentially, I lost my upgraded seats and my systemwide upgrade due to their scheduling.
Anyone else ever had anything like this?
American rebooked me for two days later than my original flight on a MIA-DFW-HND trip. We noticed that we were rebooked back into economy so I called. After three calls and 10+ hours with agents it was concluded that when the agent rebooked me, my systemwide upgrades fell off and that unfortunately because the original expiration date had passed they could not reapply them.
So essentially, I lost my upgraded seats and my systemwide upgrade due to their scheduling.
Anyone else ever had anything like this?
Avoid the system-wide avoid the discussion about lost upgrades etc. You are in business class your flight was changed, you need to be rebooked at business class. That's it.
#3
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Join Date: Apr 2023
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Call back. Explain that you were ticketed in business class and then due to schedule change your original flight was no longer possible and you were rebooked. You would like to be placed in XYZ flight in business class.
Avoid the system-wide avoid the discussion about lost upgrades etc. You are in business class your flight was changed, you need to be rebooked at business class. That's it.
Avoid the system-wide avoid the discussion about lost upgrades etc. You are in business class your flight was changed, you need to be rebooked at business class. That's it.
They also told me that there are no business class seats on the flight I'm now on. I offered to be rebooked through any US city in a 4 day window of departure and still told there is nothing.
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1) The SWUs are still attached to the reservation/ticket, expired or not. AA's only rule is that you must clear the upgrade prior to expiration; travel can be after expiration.
2) You booked prior to expiration and cleared the upgrade. For all intents and purposes you are now holding a business class ticket. If they want to change their schedules, that's fine, however you are to be reaccommodated in business class for such involuntary changes.
2) You booked prior to expiration and cleared the upgrade. For all intents and purposes you are now holding a business class ticket. If they want to change their schedules, that's fine, however you are to be reaccommodated in business class for such involuntary changes.
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I wish it were that easy, but it takes them about 10 minutes to see the original flight was booked in main cabin and upgraded to business via a systemwide upgrade. I started that route and they led me down a rabbit hole of around 10 hours in conversations across three days only for a supervisor to conclude there is nothing they can do because the systemwide upgrades are gone so they can't reupgrade me and they can't get them back.
They also told me that there are no business class seats on the flight I'm now on. I offered to be rebooked through any US city in a 4 day window of departure and still told there is nothing.
They also told me that there are no business class seats on the flight I'm now on. I offered to be rebooked through any US city in a 4 day window of departure and still told there is nothing.
With AA, less info is better. As this was a schedule change, You do not need to look for upgrade space anymore. American can open up a seat for you and put you in that flight without any issues.
#8
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Appreciate all the thoughts. I gave it one last go this evening and spent another three hours being passed from department to department, agent to supervisor.
The reservations team told me that they saw all of the changes, but according to their system my upgrade was pending but should clear in a day or two. I pushed harder to get it done and they said I would have to talk to the AAdvantage desk to clear it.
The AAdvantage desk said, once again, my systemwide upgrades were expired so they could not adjust our seats. However, she offered to send me to Customer Relations who could reissue them.
Customer Relations told me that they could put me on the waitlist, but business class was full on the flight they rebooked me so unlikely to confirm. I asked to be moved to any other flight +/- 2 days and they said that they couldn't rebook me or the SWUs would fall off and be expired. At this point I asked for supervisor.
Supervisor said the same, even trying to say I initially voluntarily changed my flight until I lit him up and pointed him to the email AA sent telling me I had to change or cancel because of schedule. At this point he said there was no business class availability for SWU within a week of my departure so nothing he could do and he said he couldn't just reassign me to an available business class seat if it wasn't SWU eligible.
So long story short, it was a fail on the flight. However, he offered to reissue my SWU if I were to cancel the flight because of all of the issues. My wife and I decided to just do that while he was on the phone or figured we might never have another chance. (although he canceled flight but no sign of the SWU back in the account yet)
Rough and crazy experience and now all of the sudden I'm down a trip I've had booked since July. Don't think it was handled properly, but I feel after 12+ hours on phone with AA I was out of options.
The reservations team told me that they saw all of the changes, but according to their system my upgrade was pending but should clear in a day or two. I pushed harder to get it done and they said I would have to talk to the AAdvantage desk to clear it.
The AAdvantage desk said, once again, my systemwide upgrades were expired so they could not adjust our seats. However, she offered to send me to Customer Relations who could reissue them.
Customer Relations told me that they could put me on the waitlist, but business class was full on the flight they rebooked me so unlikely to confirm. I asked to be moved to any other flight +/- 2 days and they said that they couldn't rebook me or the SWUs would fall off and be expired. At this point I asked for supervisor.
Supervisor said the same, even trying to say I initially voluntarily changed my flight until I lit him up and pointed him to the email AA sent telling me I had to change or cancel because of schedule. At this point he said there was no business class availability for SWU within a week of my departure so nothing he could do and he said he couldn't just reassign me to an available business class seat if it wasn't SWU eligible.
So long story short, it was a fail on the flight. However, he offered to reissue my SWU if I were to cancel the flight because of all of the issues. My wife and I decided to just do that while he was on the phone or figured we might never have another chance. (although he canceled flight but no sign of the SWU back in the account yet)
Rough and crazy experience and now all of the sudden I'm down a trip I've had booked since July. Don't think it was handled properly, but I feel after 12+ hours on phone with AA I was out of options.
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Appreciate all the thoughts. I gave it one last go this evening and spent another three hours being passed from department to department, agent to supervisor.
The reservations team told me that they saw all of the changes, but according to their system my upgrade was pending but should clear in a day or two. I pushed harder to get it done and they said I would have to talk to the AAdvantage desk to clear it.
The AAdvantage desk said, once again, my systemwide upgrades were expired so they could not adjust our seats. However, she offered to send me to Customer Relations who could reissue them.
Customer Relations told me that they could put me on the waitlist, but business class was full on the flight they rebooked me so unlikely to confirm. I asked to be moved to any other flight +/- 2 days and they said that they couldn't rebook me or the SWUs would fall off and be expired. At this point I asked for supervisor.
Supervisor said the same, even trying to say I initially voluntarily changed my flight until I lit him up and pointed him to the email AA sent telling me I had to change or cancel because of schedule. At this point he said there was no business class availability for SWU within a week of my departure so nothing he could do and he said he couldn't just reassign me to an available business class seat if it wasn't SWU eligible.
So long story short, it was a fail on the flight. However, he offered to reissue my SWU if I were to cancel the flight because of all of the issues. My wife and I decided to just do that while he was on the phone or figured we might never have another chance. (although he canceled flight but no sign of the SWU back in the account yet)
Rough and crazy experience and now all of the sudden I'm down a trip I've had booked since July. Don't think it was handled properly, but I feel after 12+ hours on phone with AA I was out of options.
The reservations team told me that they saw all of the changes, but according to their system my upgrade was pending but should clear in a day or two. I pushed harder to get it done and they said I would have to talk to the AAdvantage desk to clear it.
The AAdvantage desk said, once again, my systemwide upgrades were expired so they could not adjust our seats. However, she offered to send me to Customer Relations who could reissue them.
Customer Relations told me that they could put me on the waitlist, but business class was full on the flight they rebooked me so unlikely to confirm. I asked to be moved to any other flight +/- 2 days and they said that they couldn't rebook me or the SWUs would fall off and be expired. At this point I asked for supervisor.
Supervisor said the same, even trying to say I initially voluntarily changed my flight until I lit him up and pointed him to the email AA sent telling me I had to change or cancel because of schedule. At this point he said there was no business class availability for SWU within a week of my departure so nothing he could do and he said he couldn't just reassign me to an available business class seat if it wasn't SWU eligible.
So long story short, it was a fail on the flight. However, he offered to reissue my SWU if I were to cancel the flight because of all of the issues. My wife and I decided to just do that while he was on the phone or figured we might never have another chance. (although he canceled flight but no sign of the SWU back in the account yet)
Rough and crazy experience and now all of the sudden I'm down a trip I've had booked since July. Don't think it was handled properly, but I feel after 12+ hours on phone with AA I was out of options.
I'm not sure where you can escalate this now. Ugh.
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Yeah this is a completely unconscionable outcome, and it follows a completely unacceptable waste of OP's time too. The phone agents have gotten so bad.
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On top of the ridiculousness OP experienced I am predicting a continued uphill battle getting the SWU reinstated. I would suggest OP sends an email now to customer relations with a concise summary of the commitment the agent made to reinstate and ask why they have not yet been reinstated. That will hopefully trigger either the SWUs as promised or his ability to escalate while the call recordings still exist and can be reviewed.
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I'd file a DOT complaint. You were ticketed in business using an AA instrument and because of an involuntary schedule change, you were removed from business.
#14


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This same thing happened to me and it took about 5 calls. Always running into the wall of supervisor. As others have noted they could see them, but no one seemed to have the power to make the change.
Finally, I got luck and on hold for about an hour and they were put back in my account and applied to a new flight.
Good luck.
Finally, I got luck and on hold for about an hour and they were put back in my account and applied to a new flight.
Good luck.
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If you continue to hit a wall with this with reservations / AAdvantage CS, then it's time to move on to the Executive Liaison.


