seawolf

In that case, can Europe -> 48 states be routed thru Canada? Tried to book LHR-YUL-LGA last year and AAgent wasn't able to price it as Europe<->48 award either. Didn't pursue any further as my plans had changed.

guv1976

Did it price as two separate awards? Or as one award at the Europe-Canada rate?

kdub9531

Quick update on this saga:

Talked to another agent who was willing to run this through the "tariff desk" (I told her outright that I have spoken to a couple of her colleagues, so she said she wasn't going to waste my time further and would escalate it directly with another desk). The computer priced out the previous awards as two separate awards were due to two reasons:

• Routing rules as JJeffrey said -- for AMM-YVR, one is allowed to go via DOH only to JFK or DFW.
• It exceeds allowable MPM

I asked that we try to construct an award via JFK, and it was initially quoted at 107.5k; but another call to tariff desk yielded to a manual readjustment of the price to 75k.

Dave Noble

Loking at the routing rules for AMM-YVR on DOH , it does indicate it is a consructed fare rather than a published fare, so that can cause requirement for 2 awards

e.g. for AMM-JFK

AT01* /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ PUBLISHED RTG 2
1. AMM-DOH-NYC
2. AMM-QR/RJ-DOH-NYC

whilst for AMM-YVR it states

AT01* /VIA THE ATLANTIC/ CONSTRUCTED RTG
1. AMM-DOH-QR-DFW/NYC-AA/CX/US-YVR
2. AMM-QR/RJ-DOH-QR-DFW/NYC-AA/CX/US-YVR

It doesn't seem incorrect that the system is pricing as 2 awards

seawolf

It was priced as Europe-Canada (62,500 miles in J) plus Canada-US (under 500 miles) (7,500 miles in Y) on a 19 hour connection instead of 57,500 J (US-Europe) covering all segments.

mster

Looking for creative routes from Tokyo to Vienna (avoiding LHR), but need insight into Asia 1 to Europe routing possibilities. Not in a hurry to get from A to B.

I've done some experimenting with ITA Matrix and can get most of the below itineraries to price out as a single fare. Unsure if that's related to what AA would be able to ticket though. Most of these routings transit Doha *or* Asia 2.

Which of the itineraries below would AA actually be able to ticket assuming award space was available?

Two segments:
TYO-DOH-VIE (QR-QR)
TYO-HEL-VIE (JL/AY-AY)
TYO-MAD-VIE (IB-IB)

Three segments:
TYO-HKG-MAD-VIE (JL/CX-CX-IB)
TYO-FRA/CDG-HEL/MAD-VIE (JL-AY/IB-AY/IB)
TYO-HKG/BKK/SIN-HEL-VIE (JL/CX-AY-AY)

Four segments:
TYO-HKG-SIN-HEL-VIE (JL/CX-CX-AY-AY)
TYO-HKG-CPH/DUB/AMS/DUS/FRA/CDG/ZRH/MXP/FCO/BCN-HEL/MAD-VIE (JL/CX-CX-AY/IB-AY/IB)

Definitely not ticket-able:
TYO-DOH-HEL-VIE (QR-QR-AY)
TYO-ICN-DOH-HEL-VIE (JL-QR-QR-AY)

Dave Noble

None of the QR options will work, other than TYO-DOH-VIE. QR only permits TYO-DOH-VIE, even on its most expensive fare

mster

You're right. Even DOH-MAD/HEL-VIE as a separate ticket won't work. Thanks.

isabeloh

Trying to help a friend book JFK-MAD-FCO award on Iberia. I see J Saver availability both on BA.com and on awardnexus.com, but it's not showing on AA.com to book. If he calls will they see these seats? Or if it's not showing on AA, it's not there? Thanks.

Edit: I am checking using QF as well BA, individually, on awardnexus

guv1976

Is each leg available separately on aa.com? If so, put each leg on hold (do not purchase) using the multi-city award-booking engine, note the PNR, and then call AA to see if they will re-price the itinerary as a single award.

FlightNurse

Just call AA and feed them the flight's they should be able to make it work.

isabeloh

No, the Iberia JFK-MAD doesn't show up at all on AA.com - only MAD-FCO.

Mods, I apologize - just realized this probably should have gone to the Flying Iberia Wiki (I couldn't seem to pull it up on the search before I posted here).

indo79

Is this allowed on 1 award? SIN-HKG-PER? Does not exceed 24 hours, connecting in same region, both flights on CX? Afraid it might cross the MPM.

Dave Noble

CX does list SIN-HKG-PER as being a valid routing, so would expect it to be ok ; seems an awful detour though and may fall foul of other AA rules to do with directness of route

indo79

Thanks! Unfortunately QF is not showing any availability for SIN-PER for 2 in C, yet CX is showing SIN-HKG-PER as available.