Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 31577083)
Why do you assume that people only post here and dont write to AA?
Originally Posted by rumboj
(Post 31576918)
I concur wholeheartedly. I have never understood why people are so quick to start threads but never bother to complain to the Company. After all, this isn’t AA Customer Relations. However, it was explained to me that some people just want to vent and posting provides a forum for that...
So I guess it will just continue to be more of the same. Who said I never reported this to AA? I used to be hesitant to complain, fearing I'd be dinged in their CRM system as a complainer or that my LTV (lifetime value) would be diminished by the 5k AAPeso dog biscuits they'd throw at my feet... These days as a lifetime PLT I actively avoid AA (and BA, and IB for that matter). I simply couldn't give a rat's behind what AA thinks of me. PS- One thing I unfortunately learned by getting burnt was NEVER to confront FAs onboard. A few years ago on a UA EZE-EWR the crew left their carts in business class for 45 minutes while they had a VERY LOUD and expletive-laden meltdown in the galley. When an elderly couple next to me rang their bell to ask to be served the purser was nothing short of verbally abusive. And I made the mistake of confronting her. BIG MISTAKE. She wrote me up as an unruly passenger such that when I contacted UA's executive office they came at ME. Fortunately I had 3 witnesses write to them and confirm their abusive behavior but never again will I say anything to FAs on US carriers. They invoke "safety" like there's no tomorrow. |
Originally Posted by bostontraveler
(Post 31574801)
@plouie yes indeed. Silly of us passengers to expect any form of service. Next time Air Koryo!
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This seems to be a deplorable state of affairs. The passengers are now terrified of the FAs wrath and the FAs behave as they please. They must report to somebody. Someone has to be in charge of Inflight Services.
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Originally Posted by bostontraveler
(Post 31577175)
A bit presumptuous rumboj I'd say?
Who said I never reported this to AA? I used to be hesitant to complain, fearing I'd be dinged in their CRM system as a complainer or that my LTV (lifetime value) would be diminished by the 5k AAPeso dog biscuits they'd throw at my feet... These days as a lifetime PLT I actively avoid AA (and BA, and IB for that matter). I simply couldn't give a rat's behind what AA thinks of me.
Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 31577083)
Why do you assume that people only post here and dont write to AA?
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 31576328)
Union contract prohibits it (one FA reporting on/evaluating/etc another.) AA would *love* to have it otherwise, but it aint gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by Herb687
(Post 31576792)
I'm curious if the APFA contract allows for AA management to hire non-employee "mystery shoppers" to fly on flights and for AA to initiate disciplinary action as a result of their findings.
Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 31576892)
HA! good one.
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This is the state of affairs. The disappearing FAs until the next service comes around. From time to time you'll get lucky and have a crew that roams the aisles from time to time to attend to paxs but it doesn't seem to be the norm anymore. Writing to AA won't get anything other than maybe a few thousand miles. Mystery shopper? Ok are you willing to give up your upgrade so that someone can sit in a J seat and observe the FAs?
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 31578121)
It's not prohibited by the contract. IIRC nothing like that is mentioned.
Originally Posted by richarddd
(Post 31577994)
Do any of the major US airlines have union contracts that allow one FA reporting on/evaluating/etc another?
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 31578420)
You are wrong.
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 31578449)
So having mystery passengers like mystery shoppers is specifically prohibited by the union contract? Can you refer me to a section number, or page number in the spiral bound edition?
Originally Posted by Herb687
(Post 31576792)
...I'm curious if the APFA contract allows for AA management to hire non-employee "mystery shoppers" to fly on flights and for AA to initiate disciplinary action as a result of their findings.
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 31578490)
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 31578606)
I didn't mean mentioned here, I meant mentioned in the union contract. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
-> "to initiate disciplinary action as a result of their findings" This Union thing isn't new It's not like AA just hasn't thought of the correct way to circumvent it to get better FA performance-- there isn't one. And AA is not allowed to have FA's evaluate and supervise each other on-board, check your "spiral bound edition" :) |
Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 31578661)
My point is more that any feedback that would be gleaned from any such check-flyers would be 100% useable:
-> "to initiate disciplinary action as a result of their findings" This Union thing isn't new It's not like AA just hasn't thought of the correct way to circumvent it to get better FA performance-- there isn't one. And AA is not allowed to have FA's evaluate and supervise each other on-board, check your "spiral bound edition" :) |
Originally Posted by richarddd
(Post 31578672)
100% not useable?
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I took this route a couple of years ago when it was run on a 763, and remember having very similar types of service the OP describes (though, of course I was in coach) -- but the flight was like $400 roundtrip, whereas getting to Paris from middle america is 1400+, so I was like, cool beans, whatever. AA should put the most meh flight attendant crews on the cheapest flights, save the good ones for those routes always charging a premium....
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