DFW-TLV / Tel Aviv, Israel 3x weekly starting 9/9/2020
#106
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Yeah! It is very extremely busy evening rush. Lots of people who are going home from work. I don't think such good idea. You could struck the traffic.
#108
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Now that the FL is complete plus the overall AA hard product superiority over BA, no brainer in my mind.
#109
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I guess my point was AA mentioned the flight now gives TLV 33 new markets that have one stop flights instead of a double connection, and then they mention two markets which already have one-stop flights i think on a daily basis.
Curious what the new 1-stop markets are? Places like Baton Rouge, etc I would guess.
#110
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While this is true, I think that tacitly AA is saying the connecting through DFW vs. LHR on route to TLV is more convenient and that is hard to argue not to be true. On the return, at least for AUS, connecting through LHR could get tough, if not impossible, on the same day given the late morning departure of the BA flight to AUS. And they are definitely targeting the high tech market in this case..
#111
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The only BA departure points in the US that put you in TLV before midnight the next day are NYC, BOS, ORD and maybe MIA. You have to get to LHR before 6:45am to make the AM flight to TLV (arriving in mid-afternoon)
Thus, AAs flight will make for better timed arrivals on one stop connections from places like AUS, SJC, etc.
Thus, AAs flight will make for better timed arrivals on one stop connections from places like AUS, SJC, etc.
#112
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Hop the train then take a taxi. Much faster during rush hour... BTW Rush Hour in TLV is from about 6:30am till 10pm. Severe lack of infrastructure.
#113
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#114
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You're missing my point. Of course, TLV operates seven days a week. I'm saying that if AA chooses to serve that market only three times week, does it want one of those days to conflict with Shabbat, when a significant portion of that market cannot travel? A daily schedule will smooth things out over the whole week, as opposed a Monday/Wednesday/Friday schedule when one of those days presents issues for a big segment of the market.
For example someone who wants to travel from LAX to TLV can't use El Al's direct flight on Friday/Saturday which are great options for an Israeli businessman finishing his work week in California.
#115
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As I said in another post, if people are determined to stay on AA/OW, then yes, perhaps they'd backtrack. For everyone else, there is nonstop ORD-TLV on LY, or connections in JFK that make more sense than DFW.
#116
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True, but ignoring the fact that I (and many others) would rather connect at DFW than LHR, the schedule of the onward flights from LHR aren't great for many people. For example, if you're coming in from AUS, your options are LY arriving TLV at ~10pm, BA arriving ~11:50pm, or LY arriving ~5am. As much as I'd like to keep my flying on OW, I've been choosing the UA option over those choices because the schedule is much more to my liking.
#117
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Oops, missed this (busy day yesterday!)
Unlike others, I won't state something as a fact unless I know the actual answer, and in this case I do not.
I *assume* it's as simple as conservative foray/available aircraft-- see if this route takes off above and beyond the others, both new and old and then commit or quit (or move or add.) Again, 100% pure speculation on my part. They really very much -want- to serve TLV, so the route will benefit from -considerably- more patience and tinkering than say one of the new/newer Euro routes etc.
Unlike others, I won't state something as a fact unless I know the actual answer, and in this case I do not.
I *assume* it's as simple as conservative foray/available aircraft-- see if this route takes off above and beyond the others, both new and old and then commit or quit (or move or add.) Again, 100% pure speculation on my part. They really very much -want- to serve TLV, so the route will benefit from -considerably- more patience and tinkering than say one of the new/newer Euro routes etc.
#118
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Obviously, as a member of the tribe, I wouldve hoped that AA would give JFK-TLV a try and give LY a run for its money. Sadly, AA isnt interested in remaining at JFK, so theyll continue to kill it until its presence mirrors United at LGA. Its unfortunate, because I hate LY and fly TK just so I wouldnt have such a miserable experience to Israel. I have no desire to change with the addition of this route.
#119
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Obviously, as a member of the tribe, I wouldve hoped that AA would give JFK-TLV a try and give LY a run for its money. Sadly, AA isnt interested in remaining at JFK, so theyll continue to kill it until its presence mirrors United at LGA. Its unfortunate, because I hate LY and fly TK just so I wouldnt have such a miserable experience to Israel. I have no desire to change with the addition of this route.
They may have just determined (based on profits and costs out of DFW, etc.) that testing the waters from DFW had considerable more upside and considerably less downside than going head-to-head-to-head-head with LY, DL, and UA in the NYC market.
You can question the strategic wisdom of all of the above, for sure, but to say that AA is uninterested in remaining at JFK is not really a valid assertion, IMO.
#120
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