Action against unprincipled passenger?
Jul 31, 2018, 10:48 am
#137
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Despite a few AA trips in the last few years, as I live "over the pond" I don't normally visit the AA forum.
Really enjoyed this thread but can someone explain the "<redacted>" bits in the posts? Is it self censorship, strict editing by the AA mods or are you guys pretty sweary?
For the record I don't believe in splitting the family up when travelling together and I am a firm believer in the policy of "he/she who initiates the seat swap must offer up the better seat".
Really enjoyed this thread but can someone explain the "<redacted>" bits in the posts? Is it self censorship, strict editing by the AA mods or are you guys pretty sweary?
For the record I don't believe in splitting the family up when travelling together and I am a firm believer in the policy of "he/she who initiates the seat swap must offer up the better seat".
Jul 31, 2018, 10:51 am
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But, at least according to the OP, the children weren't abused or threatened. They were merely asked. You'd consider telling someone that you'd file a police report that everyone involved, including your children, knew was not true? So either your children would have to lie to cover your lie, or they would say, "No, Dad, he didn't threaten us" thus making you look like a liar, all accruing to CK's advantage and benefit. Not a strategy that I'd pursue.
Jul 31, 2018, 11:10 am
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But, at least according to the OP, the children weren't abused or threatened. They were merely asked. You'd consider telling someone that you'd file a police report that everyone involved, including your children, knew was not true? So either your children would have to lie to cover your lie, or they would say, "No, Dad, he didn't threaten us" thus making you look like a liar, all accruing to CK's advantage and benefit. Not a strategy that I'd pursue.
Jul 31, 2018, 11:12 am
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Despite a few AA trips in the last few years, as I live "over the pond" I don't normally visit the AA forum.
Really enjoyed this thread but can someone explain the "<redacted>" bits in the posts? Is it self censorship, strict editing by the AA mods or are you guys pretty sweary?
For the record I don't believe in splitting the family up when travelling together and I am a firm believer in the policy of "he/she who initiates the seat swap must offer up the better seat".
Really enjoyed this thread but can someone explain the "<redacted>" bits in the posts? Is it self censorship, strict editing by the AA mods or are you guys pretty sweary?
For the record I don't believe in splitting the family up when travelling together and I am a firm believer in the policy of "he/she who initiates the seat swap must offer up the better seat".
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Last edited by JDiver; Jul 31, 2018 at 11:21 am
Jul 31, 2018, 1:48 pm
#141
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Unbelievable. I've seen some things in my travels and seen plenty of selfish and scummy behaviour, but this pretty much takes the biscuit. How low can folk go?
I admire the OP's temperance. I think in the same situation I might have given yerman a slap, regardless if he was a CKP a PKK or the president of the United States of America.
After saying that, if it was me, I'd let it go now. It's turned out fine and sometimes these things can eat you up and end up stressing you out. The FA who helped with the swap wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but AA, imo, dealt with the situation generously.
I hope the kids have a less eventful flight next time out!
I admire the OP's temperance. I think in the same situation I might have given yerman a slap, regardless if he was a CKP a PKK or the president of the United States of America.
After saying that, if it was me, I'd let it go now. It's turned out fine and sometimes these things can eat you up and end up stressing you out. The FA who helped with the swap wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer but AA, imo, dealt with the situation generously.
I hope the kids have a less eventful flight next time out!
Jul 31, 2018, 2:56 pm
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Thanks for the replies everyone, as for the why, because they are a very kind family that teaches their kids to respect adults. I agree that at that age some kids have the ability to comprehend what's happening, but others just view things with a bit more naive eye. We're getting to the point where more and more kids that age are willing to confront adults, but thankfully we're not to a point where it is the norm.
Jul 31, 2018, 3:23 pm
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It seems to me that this is an ideal example of why blind respect for adults is a poor choice. Being willing to confront adults should not be a binary option based on comparative ages and perceived seniority, it should be based on a thoughtful analysis of the circumstances. 16 should be old enough to manage that.
Jul 31, 2018, 4:13 pm
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On INTL flts pax must remain in their booked cabins. Had the FA not permitted the OP to bring Sundaes to his children (or the desert was something he knew they wouldn't want), the incident might have gone unnoticed until the end of the flt: "if his children are only a few rows back, why haven't they deplaned?..." --by then the CK "meanie" would have been long gone.
[On INTL PE do pax get "nice" deserts?]
[On INTL PE do pax get "nice" deserts?]
Jul 31, 2018, 7:13 pm
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Yes, and good not to lose sight of that. Speaking for myself, it would never even have crossed my mind, because of the factors I mentioned in my post. I think that a lot of people say on FT that they would/will do something but would never actually do it. "I'll never fly airline XX again!!" Never, that is, until XX has a deep sale on the route which the poster needs.
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Aug 1, 2018, 6:01 am
#147
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Don't leave your kids in PE?
Aug 1, 2018, 12:30 pm
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Yes, and good not to lose sight of that. Speaking for myself, it would never even have crossed my mind, because of the factors I mentioned in my post. I think that a lot of people say on FT that they would/will do something but would never actually do it. "I'll never fly airline XX again!!" Never, that is, until XX has a deep sale on the route which the poster needs.
There are signs all over that road warning people about this fine. I doubt I would have bothered the police, but the guy said a few choice words, stayed in line for awhile than made a U-Turn out of there.
One guy did drive into the line right before the last point of cutoff. He was a few cars behind me, as we wouldn't let him in. Later, on the ferry, I heard an announcement looking for "the driver of a red Nissan".........
Sure enough, prior to driving off the ferry, I saw him getting a ticket.
Aug 1, 2018, 12:57 pm
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I suspect the subtle difference here is that the person in J asked the FA about bringing sundaes to kids in PE. FA made a judgment call that it was okay. Had he/she said no, that would have been fine as well. It's a little different than trying to sneak a steady stream of drinks back to Y. Lower degree of entitlement.
Aug 1, 2018, 1:41 pm
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One solution would be to add doors with employee card access in-flight between cabins to prevent cross-class activity between F, J, PE, and Y cabins. Then we no longer have lengthy threads about:
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- Sending drinks or desserts from J to Y
- Switching from PE to economy
- CK's in PE barging in on the calm and serenity of the J cabin to complain about the riffraff in Y