Aggressive, Vulgar Behavior from Uniformed Non-AA Pilot Passenger
Jun 8, 2018, 4:35 pm
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There has been some unacceptable and marginal posting. Please remember to “play the ball, not the player”. Less personalization and more civility, please. See https://www.flyertalk.com/help/rules...sivedisruptive for reference, if necessary.
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Jun 8, 2018, 4:46 pm
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Assault can be physical OR verbal. @:-)
Jun 8, 2018, 5:06 pm
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Yes, it can. OP was told to shut up. He wasn't told to "shut up or else", for example. We're parsing words. Apparently the idiotic pilot didn't even move, he just laid there mumbling expletives. It should never have happened and I applaud there OP for reporting. I abhor behavior like this in the service industry.There have been many instances lately of people being threatened and over aggressive actions by airlines in the last year. This should not be confused with those.
Jun 8, 2018, 5:51 pm
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UA, DL, and AS pilots are also ALPA. I believe FedEx and UPS are as well. So who knows? Additionally, OP said the pilot said he is typed on many different types of planes. AA pilots might be typed on different types of planes as they progress through their career. They don't, however, fly multiple types.
It was loud enough that it bothered at least one other passenger. Just because no one else said anything does not mean they were not bothered.
At least one other passenger disagrees with you.
You would hard pressed to find many people who think a 22:30 departure is not effectively a red-eye.
If it was so important for the pilot to have absolute quiet, why didn't he move to one of the other empty seats? Why didn't he ask them to stop conversing?(well, even saying that sounds ridiculous, so I can understand why he didn't do that).
Why go all passive aggressive? I can say that if someone pulls that nonsense on me, my response is to directly ask the person what their problem is.
Why go all passive aggressive? I can say that if someone pulls that nonsense on me, my response is to directly ask the person what their problem is.
The OP states no one else was disturbed by the sound level of their conversation. That it was consistent with two people sitting next to one another in a quiet cabin and conversing. You can say that if you want to sleep any disturbance is an impolite imposition. I can say that's pretty damned self-absorbed on public transport, at the level of the Princess and the Pea.
If you want to just ignore the OP's statement and presume that they were actually loud, fine. But this kind of presumption is the most useless thing I see on FT threads. What's the point of making up your own story instead of commenting on the facts as reported? Why not say a leprechaun was hidden in the pilot's footwell and it was this malevolent little green man who was bothering the pilot every time he closed his eyes? There's just as much justification for that theory as for saying these people were shouting at one another.
If you want to just ignore the OP's statement and presume that they were actually loud, fine. But this kind of presumption is the most useless thing I see on FT threads. What's the point of making up your own story instead of commenting on the facts as reported? Why not say a leprechaun was hidden in the pilot's footwell and it was this malevolent little green man who was bothering the pilot every time he closed his eyes? There's just as much justification for that theory as for saying these people were shouting at one another.
The O.P.'s comments alone make it quite clear they were conversing far too loudly.
Agree.
I believe the two conversing were okay, assuming the decibel level was not excessive.
Legally, no. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present ability, to inflict a violent injury on the person of another.
Jun 8, 2018, 6:18 pm
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Well buddy, you don't either. For all we know it could've been a regular guy off the street with a pilot costume and a fake badge.
Jun 8, 2018, 6:20 pm
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What is highly relevant is that it was not an American Airlines pilot.
Oh, and pilots don't wear badges. They wear wings.
Jun 8, 2018, 6:34 pm
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It comforts us to think that pilots are always sane, stable people. They are NOT always. I know some personally and know how they are, and I have experienced behavior I found concerning more than once from them.
The worst was in the early 2000s' An LH pilot at FRA. Came storming into the gate absolutely FURIOUS and screaming at the gate crew. He even started punching walls and knocking over stancheons. Heads down jetway, yelling all the while with nobody but shocked passengers looking on, and then proceeds to "fly angry"...taxi was scary fast, dipping wings on the turns, us rolling like pax in a car. Braking hard enough to throw us forward during the taxi also. Seemed like we were flying fast too..fire walled take off even though the flight was short (likely less fuel) and only about half full, and a high rate, nose down descent with the spoilers up most the of the way down, and then another "dukes of hazzard" taxi experience to the gate.
It was scary.
The worst was in the early 2000s' An LH pilot at FRA. Came storming into the gate absolutely FURIOUS and screaming at the gate crew. He even started punching walls and knocking over stancheons. Heads down jetway, yelling all the while with nobody but shocked passengers looking on, and then proceeds to "fly angry"...taxi was scary fast, dipping wings on the turns, us rolling like pax in a car. Braking hard enough to throw us forward during the taxi also. Seemed like we were flying fast too..fire walled take off even though the flight was short (likely less fuel) and only about half full, and a high rate, nose down descent with the spoilers up most the of the way down, and then another "dukes of hazzard" taxi experience to the gate.
It was scary.
Jun 8, 2018, 6:40 pm
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Jun 8, 2018, 6:49 pm
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This thread is close to being closed for overly personalized responses, off-topic meandering and disruptive posting. Further deletions have been made, but the next time that is required the thread will rest.
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Jun 8, 2018, 7:04 pm
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Jun 8, 2018, 7:53 pm
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When I am flying overnight, I come prepared with a full array of sleep "weapons". Eye mask, ear plugs, baseball cap, and pillow. I'm not to the Ambien stage, but we may still there.
You simply don't know when you're going to be on a flight with a night owl, an uncomfortable baby, a couple being giggly/amorous, or someone who has insomnia.
You simply don't know when you're going to be on a flight with a night owl, an uncomfortable baby, a couple being giggly/amorous, or someone who has insomnia.
Jun 8, 2018, 7:57 pm
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I want to know what late evening flight had multiple empty seats in F???? Wonder if it was one of those 10:30 pm LAX-DFW type flights.
Jun 8, 2018, 8:26 pm
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This pilot was way out of line. I don't know why he couldn't have politely asked the OP to maybe quiet down if he was bothered by the conversation. Like some have said, you never know what you will get on a plane. I have been kept awake by drunks, babies, loud talkers, snorers, flight attendants, turbulence, warm cabins, cold cabins, bathrooms, bright lights etc etc etc. You just have to roll with the punches sometimes. And while I try to be respectful of others around me, there are many times where I have spent quite a lot on premium tickets for myself and family and if we want to talk quietly on a redeye to Europe or play cards with each other after a nightcap to fully enjoy the experience I feel I'm well within my right to do that.
Jun 8, 2018, 9:12 pm
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This pilot was way out of line. I don't know why he couldn't have politely asked the OP to maybe quiet down if he was bothered by the conversation. Like some have said, you never know what you will get on a plane. I have been kept awake by drunks, babies, loud talkers, snorers, flight attendants, turbulence, warm cabins, cold cabins, bathrooms, bright lights etc etc etc. You just have to roll with the punches sometimes. And while I try to be respectful of others around me, there are many times where I have spent quite a lot on premium tickets for myself and family and if we want to talk quietly on a redeye to Europe or play cards with each other after a nightcap to fully enjoy the experience I feel I'm well within my right to do that.
Jun 8, 2018, 11:20 pm
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we have no proof that it was a non rev asking them to be quiet, since it could very well be a pilot from another airline full revenue