Aggressive, Vulgar Behavior from Uniformed Non-AA Pilot Passenger
Jun 8, 2018, 5:32 am
#46
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2230 is not 'late evening'. It's night time. You really shouldn't have been talking, but the pilot's behaviour was not appropriate. He probably should have said: "excuse me, it's late, we'd all like to get some sleep, maybe you can continue your conversation at the other end."
It is late evening not night time or a red eye.
Jun 8, 2018, 5:58 am
#47
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it is bed time for over 60% of population in any locality rather than Spain, Italy and some Latin Mexican countries. By this time, all children and young persons and those who need to work next early morning are in bed or going to bed on most American cities. Consider the OP talked during the flight, assume this flight is one hour at least, so by 2330 or 1130pm the two passengers are still talking. And it is bed time for over 75% of the population. It is night time not evening time. For all I know, people start to say good night to each other beyond 2130 or 930pm.
Jun 8, 2018, 7:10 am
#48
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My experience is that the FA chatter disturbs my sleep more than any other talking done by passengers. I put in earplugs and deal.
Jun 8, 2018, 7:37 am
#49
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Pilot was rude. However, was the conversation so important that it couldn't be completed after landing or the next day? You should be aware of your surroundings, particularly if you are the only group talking on a late night flight where everyone was chilling. Also, you may not think you were loud, but my wife always asks me to talk more softly 
when I think I'm speaking quietly.
when I think I'm speaking quietly.
Jun 8, 2018, 7:47 am
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You've just got some added publicity that you probably weren't expecting:
Was Pilot Justified for Demanding Conversing Passengers to Shut Up?
Jun 8, 2018, 7:49 am
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it is bed time for over 60% of population in any locality rather than Spain, Italy and some Latin Mexican countries. By this time, all children and young persons and those who need to work next early morning are in bed or going to bed on most American cities. Consider the OP talked during the flight, assume this flight is one hour at least, so by 2330 or 1130pm the two passengers are still talking. And it is bed time for over 75% of the population. It is night time not evening time. For all I know, people start to say good night to each other beyond 2130 or 930pm.
I also don't agree with the comment about turning the light out.
Jun 8, 2018, 8:03 am
#53
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There is nothing that would add more credibility to your opinion on a question of ethics than generalizing about a class of people based on origin alone.
Jun 8, 2018, 8:10 am
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I am light sensitive and noise sensitive. But that's why I bring ear plugs and a face mask with me when I travel. It's not my seatmate's problem that I want to sleep while he needs to be awake finishing preparing for his presentation tomorrow. Or the parent's fault that their child who normally travels and sleeps well suddenly decides to cry all night.
Nothing in the OP said that he and his friend were loud, obnoxious, etc. The only person I saw in the OP being rude was the pilot.
Nothing in the OP said that he and his friend were loud, obnoxious, etc. The only person I saw in the OP being rude was the pilot.
Jun 8, 2018, 8:35 am
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Theres a big big difference between those equating this to "being allowed to do anything on a flight" and being reasonable. If I choose to get a cup of coffee in the middle of the night, should I not be allowed to as someone sleeping may smell it? Come on.
Jun 8, 2018, 8:38 am
#57
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Bingo. I'm usually wide awake on TPAC flights back to the US when most people are sleeping as it helps me beat jetlag. Am I not allowed to read?
Theres a big big difference between those equating this to "being allowed to do anything on a flight" and being reasonable. If I choose to get a cup of coffee in the middle of the night, should I not be allowed to as someone sleeping may smell it? Come on.
Theres a big big difference between those equating this to "being allowed to do anything on a flight" and being reasonable. If I choose to get a cup of coffee in the middle of the night, should I not be allowed to as someone sleeping may smell it? Come on.
Jun 8, 2018, 8:45 am
#58
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Couple of notes ..
1. AA pilots are not in ALPA. So if he had an ALPA lanyard, he's not an AA pilot.
2. You boarded a flight at 2230. It is beyond rude to be having a conversation on a redeye beyond whispering quietly to your seatmate. That doesn't excuse inappropriate language or behavior but I hope you understand carrying on anything other than a whispered conversation. Many of us on redeyes (in F or Y) have a full day of work on the other end and are just shifting coasts overnight.
1. AA pilots are not in ALPA. So if he had an ALPA lanyard, he's not an AA pilot.
2. You boarded a flight at 2230. It is beyond rude to be having a conversation on a redeye beyond whispering quietly to your seatmate. That doesn't excuse inappropriate language or behavior but I hope you understand carrying on anything other than a whispered conversation. Many of us on redeyes (in F or Y) have a full day of work on the other end and are just shifting coasts overnight.
btw: having flown these over 500 times, my rule of thumb was to always sleep and FWIW in almost every one of them my fellow passengers that stayed up in first were courteous and quiet (light never bothered me since I received or had eyeshades).
Jun 8, 2018, 8:55 am
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Too many people think the world should cater to their needs when, in fact, people need to adapt to the world around them to make it work as best they can. For this reason, I (and many others) carry ear plugs and an eye mask or two.
Jun 8, 2018, 9:07 am
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Based on some of these responses, I guess we need to ban bathroom usage on redeyes too