Speculation: Will AA continue to pull back in NYC?
Mar 30, 2018 | 7:53 am
#331
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: PHL
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Unless you want a very long layover, there is only one flight on a regional jet from DCA-PHL that connects with the TATL block. Gven the number of people in DC, makes me think they'd rather you go through LHR on BA or AA somehow than take the AA metal to the continent. For the early flights from PHL (ATH/MUC/MAD) the only one stop option requires you to have a 7 hour layover. Makes no sense to me except that I guess AA doesn't really want us using PHL.
Mar 30, 2018 | 8:16 am
#332
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: New York
Programs: AA EXP 1.0mm, not sure where I am with hotels these days
Posts: 2,822
For the last few months, I've been booking travel based on convenience, meaning, direct flights. So, in March, I was on more DL flights than AA because I can't turn a one day business trip to two just to earn miles which require a change of planes somewhere.
Mar 30, 2018 | 10:20 am
#333
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SFO
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Unfortunately, no business traveller from NYC is going to connect in PHL for a flight. We have too many options. Most will just take LX, DL or UA to ZRH. There are already 6x a day from NYC.
Its too bad that AA isn't adding more TATL destinations from JFK. DL keeps growing. Gets hard to ignore.
Its too bad that AA isn't adding more TATL destinations from JFK. DL keeps growing. Gets hard to ignore.
Mar 30, 2018 | 5:44 pm
#334
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: PHL
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Flew LGA/PHL this morning @6:05am. Completely full with people standing by to get on. Oddly enough, it's sometimes easier to take the plane and not the train from my area of PHL. Either way, much better than flying to PHL/JFK.
Mar 30, 2018 | 7:40 pm
#335
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,485
Unfortunately, no business traveller from NYC is going to connect in PHL for a flight. We have too many options. Most will just take LX, DL or UA to ZRH. There are already 6x a day from NYC.
Its too bad that AA isn't adding more TATL destinations from JFK. DL keeps growing. Gets hard to ignore.
Its too bad that AA isn't adding more TATL destinations from JFK. DL keeps growing. Gets hard to ignore.
Mar 30, 2018 | 10:08 pm
#336
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 90
And i don't see it get any better. GIG is becoming seasonal. The cuts will keep happening imo. At this point, I see AA as the cheapest for J on JFK-SAN/SEA/LAS/SFO. Not a great thing for an airline with such high cost "trying" (not too hard) to keep corporate clients. Great for me though as a leisure traveller these days.
Last edited by ckd38; Mar 30, 2018 at 10:49 pm
Mar 31, 2018 | 8:19 am
#337
Ambassador: Alaska Airlines
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: BWI
Posts: 7,393
Our trunk routes from NYC are PIT, BOS, LHR, HKG, BOM/DEL, SFO, SYR, and MCO.
Mar 31, 2018 | 9:11 am
#338
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Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
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AA has a transatlantic JV with BA where they share profits, so really, they couldn't care less if you take BA instead of AA. In fact, I suspect they would rather have XXX-PHL-YYY traffic be places like MEM, SYR, CVG and BUF for the XXX that DON'T get BA service as opposed to WAS or NYC that do. The idea is that PHL is the connecting hub for Atlantic traffic, and JFK and IAD are handling local O/D Atlantic traffic for the JV that goes to or connects at LHR. In that case you're really not out to optimize LGA/DCA-PHL-YYY compared to IAD/JFK-LHR-YYY.
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Mar 31, 2018 at 9:23 am
Mar 31, 2018 | 1:52 pm
#339
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: DCA/IAD/WAS
Programs: MAR AMB, WOH Explorist, AA EXP, UA 2P
Posts: 2,169
AA has a transatlantic JV with BA where they share profits, so really, they couldn't care less if you take BA instead of AA. In fact, I suspect they would rather have XXX-PHL-YYY traffic be places like MEM, SYR, CVG and BUF for the XXX that DON'T get BA service as opposed to WAS or NYC that do. The idea is that PHL is the connecting hub for Atlantic traffic, and JFK and IAD are handling local O/D Atlantic traffic for the JV that goes to or connects at LHR. In that case you're really not out to optimize LGA/DCA-PHL-YYY compared to IAD/JFK-LHR-YYY.
Mar 31, 2018 | 3:27 pm
#340
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: USA
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Totally get that logic; however, as someone who lives about 7 minutes from DCA, IAD is simply not convenient. I can't imagine I'm the only person in the DC area who thinks the same and I highly doubt AA/BA is going to change that behavior anytime soon (regardless of a metro line that will take an hour plus to get me to IAD if it's working).
Mar 31, 2018 | 7:40 pm
#343
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,485
that's an interesting point, with all the partners they have at JFK, it's still a good option to connect, which is why you see these flights to BWI/PHL/DCA. But as they continue to cut back flights worthy of being connected to, how much of these connection flights are going to stick.
Anyhow, next 2 years should tell us a lot about AA's ambitions in JFK. I value their actions a lot more than what they say publicly.
Anyhow, next 2 years should tell us a lot about AA's ambitions in JFK. I value their actions a lot more than what they say publicly.
Mar 31, 2018 | 9:34 pm
#344
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: DCA/IAD/WAS
Programs: MAR AMB, WOH Explorist, AA EXP, UA 2P
Posts: 2,169
I've heard a lot of rumors about property buys out by IAD, but would be quite surprised if Amazon chose the far outer suburbs over Arlington; current trends are companies moving back into the cities, not out.
To keep on topic, maybe NYC's loss eventually becomes WAS's gain, though I doubt it.
Apr 1, 2018 | 3:38 pm
#345
Join Date: Mar 2015
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