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American Airlines "Special Fares" and EQD Earning
Link to aa.com Special fares: Earning Award Miles and Elite Qualifying Credits
"Special Fares" include some fares sold by other than AA, such as those sold in conjunction with a travel lodging package by AA Vacations, and those purchased with credit card points, such as Thank You Points and Membership Rewards points.
Like oneworld partner (and Alaska Airlines through 31 Dec 2017) fares, these earn Elite Qualifying Dollars based on a percentage of base miles / miles flown / flight distance and the fare class purchased.
Flights booked using Thank You Points, Membership Rewards, etc. where the cardholder is essentially buying your ticket most often are special fares as well.
NOTE: EQD credit varies for "Special Fares" (e.g. AA Vacations), and the chart for those changed on 1 Jan 2019. See here.
Link to aa.com Special fares: Earning Award Miles and Elite Qualifying Credits
"Special Fares" include some fares sold by other than AA, such as those sold in conjunction with a travel lodging package by AA Vacations, and those purchased with credit card points, such as Thank You Points and Membership Rewards points.
Like oneworld partner (and Alaska Airlines through 31 Dec 2017) fares, these earn Elite Qualifying Dollars based on a percentage of base miles / miles flown / flight distance and the fare class purchased.
Flights booked using Thank You Points, Membership Rewards, etc. where the cardholder is essentially buying your ticket most often are special fares as well.
NOTE: EQD credit varies for "Special Fares" (e.g. AA Vacations), and the chart for those changed on 1 Jan 2019. See here.
AA "Special Fare" (AA Vacations, TYP, MR, etc.) Questions, EQD, Issues (merged)
#136
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: ORD (formerly SAN)
Programs: Hilton Diamond; IHG Platinum; Bonvoy Gold; AA Platinum Pro and United Premier Silver (DH = AA EXP)
Posts: 1,929
It didn't show a fare code that I could find, so I took my chances. I didn't need it either way as I took the buy-up offer from AA so the "risk" was minimal if it went against my favor. The fare was cheap enough that it was worth it.
#137
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: jfk area
Programs: AA platinum; 2MM AA, Delta Diamond, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 10,291
Thanks for posting this. Did you actually spend any points on the booking? Or just use the portal?
I guess you're thinking about using the Portal for all your booking going forward?
It would be great to hear from others using Amex Travel portal and Chase Ultimate Rewards... especially with respect to the consistency of "Special Fare"
I guess you're thinking about using the Portal for all your booking going forward?
It would be great to hear from others using Amex Travel portal and Chase Ultimate Rewards... especially with respect to the consistency of "Special Fare"
#138
FWIW, I had 3 LAX-LHR legs this year, all on AAV tickets in business on an I* fares. Here is my EQM/EQD/AW for the different legs;
Leg #1 4/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,910 AM: 16,096 EQD % of Miles Flown: 35.0%
Leg #2 10/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,712 AM: 18,832 EQD % of Miles Flown: 31.4%
Leg #3 11/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,637 AM: 14,732 EQD % of Miles Flown: 30.0%
Actual mileage on this leg is 5,456 and special fare chart says I was supposed to only get 20% or $1,091 EQD per leg. Go figure. I have no idea what is going on with AW. I guess in addition to YMMV it should also be said that YEQDMV as well.
Leg #1 4/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,910 AM: 16,096 EQD % of Miles Flown: 35.0%
Leg #2 10/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,712 AM: 18,832 EQD % of Miles Flown: 31.4%
Leg #3 11/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,637 AM: 14,732 EQD % of Miles Flown: 30.0%
Actual mileage on this leg is 5,456 and special fare chart says I was supposed to only get 20% or $1,091 EQD per leg. Go figure. I have no idea what is going on with AW. I guess in addition to YMMV it should also be said that YEQDMV as well.
#139
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oakland
Programs: AA Explat, UA former 1K + PremExec, DL
Posts: 1,151
FWIW, I had 3 LAX-LHR legs this year, all on AAV tickets in business on an I* fares. Here is my EQM/EQD/AW for the different legs;
Leg #1 4/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,910 AM: 16,096 EQD % of Miles Flown: 35.0%
Leg #2 10/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,712 AM: 18,832 EQD % of Miles Flown: 31.4%
Leg #3 11/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,637 AM: 14,732 EQD % of Miles Flown: 30.0%
Actual mileage on this leg is 5,456 and special fare chart says I was supposed to only get 20% or $1,091 EQD per leg. Go figure. I have no idea what is going on with AW. I guess in addition to YMMV it should also be said that YEQDMV as well.
Leg #1 4/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,910 AM: 16,096 EQD % of Miles Flown: 35.0%
Leg #2 10/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,712 AM: 18,832 EQD % of Miles Flown: 31.4%
Leg #3 11/17 LAX-LHR I* EQM: 10,912 EQD: 1,637 AM: 14,732 EQD % of Miles Flown: 30.0%
Actual mileage on this leg is 5,456 and special fare chart says I was supposed to only get 20% or $1,091 EQD per leg. Go figure. I have no idea what is going on with AW. I guess in addition to YMMV it should also be said that YEQDMV as well.
#140
If you look in the activity breakdown on AA.com, does the EQD have a ratio of 1:5 with the base award miles? This would be an indication that they are awarding based on a "fictitious" fare that is associated with the booking. I had this experience on a couple of legs on AAVacations trips, although mainly on segments that had been modified by SWU application or IRROPS rebooking.
Leg #1 4/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,910 AM: 16,096 BAM: 5,456 BAM/EQD: 2.85
Leg #2 10/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,712 AM: 18,832 BAM: 8,560 BAM/EQD: 5.00
Leg #3 11/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,637 AM: 14,732 BAM 5,456 BAM/EQD: 3.33
So look like I hit 5:1 on leg #2 , but not on the others. I believe I used SWUs to upgrade into 1st on all three legs.
#141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oakland
Programs: AA Explat, UA former 1K + PremExec, DL
Posts: 1,151
The base award miles to EQD were:
Leg #1 4/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,910 AM: 16,096 BAM: 5,456 BAM/EQD: 2.85
Leg #2 10/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,712 AM: 18,832 BAM: 8,560 BAM/EQD: 5.00
Leg #3 11/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,637 AM: 14,732 BAM 5,456 BAM/EQD: 3.33
So look like I hit 5:1 on leg #2 , but not on the others. I believe I used SWUs to upgrade into 1st on all three legs.
Leg #1 4/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,910 AM: 16,096 BAM: 5,456 BAM/EQD: 2.85
Leg #2 10/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,712 AM: 18,832 BAM: 8,560 BAM/EQD: 5.00
Leg #3 11/17 LAX-LHR I* EQD: 1,637 AM: 14,732 BAM 5,456 BAM/EQD: 3.33
So look like I hit 5:1 on leg #2 , but not on the others. I believe I used SWUs to upgrade into 1st on all three legs.
#143
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA EXP, HH Diamond, Marriott Platinium
Posts: 1,334
I booked a flight+hotel trough AAV as special fares (*), fare info didn't shop up but I decided to use a SWU on the long segment, it ended up posting as fare.
I called a couple of times and most of the agents were clueless, saying that it always post as fare and one of them went to ask his supervisor and came back saying in order to get distance-based it must be a package with Flight+Hotel+Car, but he was unable to explain why my AAV SFO trip with flight+car ended up posting as fare, then he sent (or open) an investigation and it could take 7-10 business days.
I called a couple of times and most of the agents were clueless, saying that it always post as fare and one of them went to ask his supervisor and came back saying in order to get distance-based it must be a package with Flight+Hotel+Car, but he was unable to explain why my AAV SFO trip with flight+car ended up posting as fare, then he sent (or open) an investigation and it could take 7-10 business days.
#145
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: jfk area
Programs: AA platinum; 2MM AA, Delta Diamond, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 10,291
I've booked many AA Vacation packages to ZURICH, the big plus was (1)mileage based, (2)hotel selection was "nice" (=near airport with free shuttle). I was trying to book a package for June, the nice hotels like: NH, Hilton, Hilton Apart, Holiday Inn, Mowenpick are no longer an option; the current choices require a 30 minute ride vs < 10 minutes. Have they done this on other packages.
[For Zurich the hotel portion was via EXPEDIA.]
[For Zurich the hotel portion was via EXPEDIA.]
#146
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: W29
Programs: It's Complicated...
Posts: 6,820
It would depend on the fare rules. Also, a fare can be refundable and not fully refundable due to some refund penalty/fee. Chase would be the group that would determine that and issue the refund though so they 'should' know best.
#147
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: W29
Programs: It's Complicated...
Posts: 6,820
I booked a flight+hotel trough AAV as special fares (*), fare info didn't shop up but I decided to use a SWU on the long segment, it ended up posting as fare.
I called a couple of times and most of the agents were clueless, saying that it always post as fare and one of them went to ask his supervisor and came back saying in order to get distance-based it must be a package with Flight+Hotel+Car, but he was unable to explain why my AAV SFO trip with flight+car ended up posting as fare, then he sent (or open) an investigation and it could take 7-10 business days.
I called a couple of times and most of the agents were clueless, saying that it always post as fare and one of them went to ask his supervisor and came back saying in order to get distance-based it must be a package with Flight+Hotel+Car, but he was unable to explain why my AAV SFO trip with flight+car ended up posting as fare, then he sent (or open) an investigation and it could take 7-10 business days.
#148
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 63
Have two trips booked via aavacations and wanted to ask two questions:
1) Both trips have dummy hotel reservations. One trip we're on a tour with hotel included and one trip I'm staying with friends. What's the current consensus on not using the hotel part? Do I need to call and cancel or just is it okay to just not show up?
2) I've never had status on any airline before, but will going on two business class flights in 2018 get me anything? Miles I can use to upgrade something later? I know the fare is a cheaper business fare so I wasn't sure. One flight is direct RDU-LHR and one is RDU-DFW-PEK.
Thanks!!
1) Both trips have dummy hotel reservations. One trip we're on a tour with hotel included and one trip I'm staying with friends. What's the current consensus on not using the hotel part? Do I need to call and cancel or just is it okay to just not show up?
2) I've never had status on any airline before, but will going on two business class flights in 2018 get me anything? Miles I can use to upgrade something later? I know the fare is a cheaper business fare so I wasn't sure. One flight is direct RDU-LHR and one is RDU-DFW-PEK.
Thanks!!
#149
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA EXP, HH Diamond, Marriott Platinium
Posts: 1,334
I havent had the issues others have reported on AA Vacation bookings showing as fare instead of distance but had an interesting experience on my last upgrade request that makes me think I will on this trip. It took an exceptionally long time for the EXP desk to get back to me to confirm the upgrade request was put in. Once when they came back to give me an update while I was on hold it was because they were "trying to reconstruct the fare", maybe this is normal but also makes me wonder if they have changed something in how they handle the upgrades. For me on this trip, it will not matter as the distance and fare calculate about the same (or should) but will be an interesting test. We may be out of luck if SWU is involved in the future on these bookings.
#150
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Oakland
Programs: AA Explat, UA former 1K + PremExec, DL
Posts: 1,151
I havent had the issues others have reported on AA Vacation bookings showing as fare instead of distance but had an interesting experience on my last upgrade request that makes me think I will on this trip. It took an exceptionally long time for the EXP desk to get back to me to confirm the upgrade request was put in. Once when they came back to give me an update while I was on hold it was because they were "trying to reconstruct the fare", maybe this is normal but also makes me wonder if they have changed something in how they handle the upgrades. For me on this trip, it will not matter as the distance and fare calculate about the same (or should) but will be an interesting test. We may be out of luck if SWU is involved in the future on these bookings.
Based on everyone else's reports you should be able to call in and get it fixed if it's not in your favor.