Speculation: Future of AA at PHX / Phoenix Sky Harbor?
May 25, 2016, 8:26 pm
#46
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That flight is still very bookable for months out so I'd love to know where you're getting that info from. In other news, I've heard AMA along with SAF are pushing hard for a PHX connection, and both seem relatively likely at some point.
May 25, 2016, 8:34 pm
#47
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This may be a stupid question but do you think AA would ever throw a couple of flights out of Mesa Gateway in PHX? I've never been to the airport (and I live about 5 minutes from it) but drive by it often and have always thought about it.
It seems like it would be a price effective way to push some originating PHX passengers to that airport who plan to connect anyways. Maybe a once a day flight to DFW and ORD or something like that. Just a thought. It may be far more difficult than I am thinking but curious if it could work.
It seems like it would be a price effective way to push some originating PHX passengers to that airport who plan to connect anyways. Maybe a once a day flight to DFW and ORD or something like that. Just a thought. It may be far more difficult than I am thinking but curious if it could work.
And there's the geography. IWA is so far to the southeast that it would only make sense for Gilbert, parts of Mesa, and Chandler. Anywhere else, and Sky Harbor would be much more convenient. It wouldn't be worth the hassle for people in Phoenix proper, Scottsdale, the west valley, PV, most of Tempe, etc.
I don't think it's a bad idea because I too live about 10 minutes away from Gateway, but there just isn't any real compelling reason to do it.
May 25, 2016, 9:36 pm
#48
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I'll start routing through PHX over LAX/DFW when MCE becomes more widespread throughout the combined fleet. No hate for PMUS hubs, but just prefer the legroom without reduced seat width option that MCE offers.
May 25, 2016, 11:41 pm
#49
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I can definitely agree with that. Luckily AA is starting to route many 737's through PHX and I've even heard a 737 FA base will open this year with a pilot base shortly after.
Jul 21, 2016, 1:43 pm
#50
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For what it's worth, I've noticed a few changes recently which are not positives:
- Only one non-stop PHX-JFK on Saturdays
- 737 on BOS-PHX (ok, this is probably good as it has 16 F seats)
- First class is often sold out 3-4 weeks in advance on prime flights to JFK, BOS, KOA, PHL, DCA, etc.
- Removal of evening flight from SFO-PHX (most days of the week now, the last SFO-PHX nonstop departs SFO at 3:45pm except around holidays). I miss the days of the 9 or 10pm flight (several years ago), but without even a 6 or 7pm flight now, the choice is to go to SJC or stay an extra night.
Jul 21, 2016, 2:08 pm
#51
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For what it's worth, I've noticed a few changes recently which are not positives:
- Only one non-stop PHX-JFK on Saturdays
- 737 on BOS-PHX (ok, this is probably good as it has 16 F seats)
- First class is often sold out 3-4 weeks in advance on prime flights to JFK, BOS, KOA, PHL, DCA, etc.
- Removal of evening flight from SFO-PHX (most days of the week now, the last SFO-PHX nonstop departs SFO at 3:45pm except around holidays). I miss the days of the 9 or 10pm flight (several years ago), but without even a 6 or 7pm flight now, the choice is to go to SJC or stay an extra night.
ETA: AA is flying 4x PHX-JFK on Saturdays through EOS. I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, but I suggest you find a new source.
AA is planning on basing more 738s in PHX as they feel the the 321s are a bit too large for the market.
Last edited by YtravelF; Jul 21, 2016 at 3:10 pm
Jul 21, 2016, 4:01 pm
#52
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AA is operating flight 2020 from SFO-PHX at 19:59 everyday except Tuesdays, seemingly through EOS
ETA: AA is flying 4x PHX-JFK on Saturdays through EOS. I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, but I suggest you find a new source.
AA is planning on basing more 738s in PHX as they feel the the 321s are a bit too large for the market.
ETA: AA is flying 4x PHX-JFK on Saturdays through EOS. I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, but I suggest you find a new source.
AA is planning on basing more 738s in PHX as they feel the the 321s are a bit too large for the market.
I think the 738 on BOS actually replaces an A319, which is actually a good improvement on second thought.
I take back the JFK comment, though I'm only seeing 2 flights, not 4...
See the attachments.
Jul 21, 2016, 4:16 pm
#53
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You're right about SFO-PHX...I didn't look far enough out, just August and December, but the late flight gets axed through most of the Fall.
Regarding PHX-JFK, it looks like they shut it down to 2x day after the busy summer season and resume 4x frequency on 8 October.
Regarding PHX-JFK, it looks like they shut it down to 2x day after the busy summer season and resume 4x frequency on 8 October.
Jul 21, 2016, 4:56 pm
#54
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Yeah, I was just caught a bit off guard. I make many trips to SFO during the year, and this is the first time in a while that I'll have to fly UA.
Jul 21, 2016, 8:15 pm
#56
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I saw them pop up on a few PHL routes (PBI, BOS, MSP) in the spring but now they are back to just the LAA hubs.
Jul 22, 2016, 11:06 pm
#57
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The SFO late flight seems to comes on and off the schedule randomly.You will find it consistently for a few weeks and then poof...it gets pulled. I've been flying this route since November and I can't quite figure out both the pricing and the scheduling choices. They've lost my business to SW and UA when I need a later flight or a more realistic price, looks like others on this board as well.
Jul 23, 2016, 2:02 pm
#58
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The SFO late flight seems to comes on and off the schedule randomly.You will find it consistently for a few weeks and then poof...it gets pulled. I've been flying this route since November and I can't quite figure out both the pricing and the scheduling choices. They've lost my business to SW and UA when I need a later flight or a more realistic price, looks like others on this board as well.
Jul 23, 2016, 6:08 pm
#59
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There is no SFO-LAX-PHX or SJC-LAX-PHX late evening options? I know it involves a connection. But still.
Jul 23, 2016, 9:33 pm
#60
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That basic economic trade off just cannot be a surprise to you.