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ARCHIVE: New Flagship Lounge and Premium Lounge Coming to DFW Terminal D
Flagship Dining fully opened 3 Nov 2015 - hrs. 08:30 -
premium lounge still tba


The current thread is: DFW Flagship Dining (open Oct 2015)
This thread is the archived file for discussion, including speculation, about the possible addition of a new Flagship Lounge and Premium Lounge at Dallas-Ft. Worth International. Terminal D, including the interim Flagship Dining.

NOTE: The previously designated smoking room in the Terminal D Admirals Club has been closed and refurbished as the interim Flagship Dining facility, 3 Nov 2015 specifically for dining (soft opening was 27 Oct). Wine, Champagne and beer are served; for other beverages, the Admirals Club bar will be used (chits are issued). (The Admirals Club itself will continue to serve as the lounge until the new premium lounge opens.)

From aa.com:

Flagship® Dining coming soon to DFW

Commencing November 3, select international passengers can enjoy exclusive access to Flagship® Dining, our premium dining experience inside our Terminal D Admirals Club® location at DFW.

Invited guests include passengers on eligible international itineraries (traveling to/from Europe, Asia, Central and South America and Mexico City*) who are either:
  • Traveling in First Class on American Airlines or oneworld® marketed and operated flights, or
  • AAdvantage® Executive Platinum or oneworld® Emerald members traveling in any cabin**
NOTES: Admission rules are standard Flagship Lounge rules (see above). Boarding passes will be stamped at the entrance desk to demonstrate admission qualification and/or invitation cards issued.

*For the purpose of Flagship Lounge access, eligible international cities include flights traveling to or from Europe, Asia, Central and South America and Mexico City (and South Pacific, e.g. AKL, SYD) only.

**American Airlines AAdvantage Executive Platinum/Emerald customers traveling on solely North American itineraries do not qualify for Flagship Lounge access. North America is defined as U.S. (including Hawaii and Alaska), Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), Bermuda, the Bahamas and the Caribbean

Customers traveling on airline industry non-revenue tickets are not eligible for access.
See Gary Leff's take on the "FLD", the old DFW Flagship Lounge, etc. here.

For discussion about the lack of a Flagship Lounge at DFW, see Why is there no Flagship Lounge / FL at DFW? (consolidated)

Background: The DFW international terminal was previously Terminal A. The A Admirals Club offered both an Arrivals Lounge and a Flagship Lounge. These were closed after 11 September 2001; when the decision to make terminal D the c new in terminal, AA chose to build an expanded Admirals Club and omit both Flagship and Arrivals lounges. There is an AMEX Centurion lounge, and there are The Lounge at DFW and several contract lounges serving several airlines' passengers.

At DFW-A, the old Flagship Lounge still exists and is used for an occasional function or NR passenger; the old Arrivals Lounge is still there, and though no longer in service it's showers -arguably the most spacious and luxurious in the AA system - and small gym remain for knowing passenger's or member's use. Look for these facilities on your immediate left (FL) and right (AL) as you exit the elevators on the second (Club) floor.
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Old Mar 6, 2014, 3:50 pm
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From Scott McCartney's WSJ column on 3/6/2014:

"DFW is considering building a lounge for first-class passengers of international airlines with just one flight a day to Dallas."
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Originally Posted by dayone
From Scott McCartney's WSJ column on 3/6/2014:

"DFW is considering building a lounge for first-class passengers of international airlines with just one flight a day to Dallas."
That would undoubtedly be welcomed by those currently not served by airline lounges nor having AMEX Platinum or Centurion or Priority Pass, or members of The Club at ___".
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Old Mar 6, 2014, 6:39 pm
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That would undoubtedly be welcomed by those currently not served by airline lounges [...] or Priority Pass, or members of The Club at ___".
A true F lounge would be welcomed by all the above and just about anyone else who could gain admittance.
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As you can see from the link in my signature, I'm pursuing a rumor that DFW will soon have a temporary Flagship lounge to be followed by a new, permanent Flagship lounge.
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Old May 31, 2015, 7:17 pm
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Not a Premium Lounge, as they'd had as a recommendation from their consultant? Or would the premium lounge be a Flagship Lounge?
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Originally Posted by JDiver
Not a Premium Lounge, as they'd had as a recommendation from their consultant? Or would the premium lounge be a Flagship Lounge?
Trust me-- I've been hopelessly confused by that difference for many weeks as I've tried to confirm this rumor. There were these docs:
https://www.dfwairport.com/cs/groups.../p2_249259.pdf
and
https://www.dfwairport.com/cs/groups.../p2_253041.pdf

And all sorts 'a stuff like that-- w/o AA involved (I think, I never really read them!)

BUT, at the end of the day, I think Ive concluded it will be a FL in term D AC. With a temp version (very limited) in the closed smoking area.

I think.
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Old May 31, 2015, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
Trust me-- I've been hopelessly confused by that difference for many weeks as I've tried to confirm this rumor. There were these docs:
https://www.dfwairport.com/cs/groups.../p2_249259.pdf
and
https://www.dfwairport.com/cs/groups.../p2_253041.pdf

And all sorts 'a stuff like that-- w/o AA involved (I think, I never really read them!)

BUT, at the end of the day, I think Ive concluded it will be a FL in term D AC. With a temp version (very limited) in the closed smoking area.

I think.


It'll be a welcome addition. IMO, it was shortsighted to not plan one to begin with.
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Old May 31, 2015, 9:28 pm
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Not sure where AA will put a new Flagship lounge at DFW. My guess is they could separate off part of Term D lounge or add an extension. Then more like LAX and JFK with card access to that section - rather than a completely separate location like the one at ORD.

Could be the AmEx lounges are making AA reconsider putting in more FLs. I know that when I am on a OW international flight - I go to the AmEx lounge rather than the AC or even the QF contract lounge.
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Old May 31, 2015, 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by cova
Not sure where AA will put a new Flagship lounge at DFW. My guess is they could separate off part of Term D lounge or add an extension. Then more like LAX and JFK with card access to that section - rather than a completely separate location like the one at ORD.

Could be the AmEx lounges are making AA reconsider putting in more FLs. I know that when I am on a OW international flight - I go to the AmEx lounge rather than the AC or even the QF contract lounge.
My experience is limited to the DFW Amex lounge but I would choose it over any flagship lounge in the current system or for that matter almost any lounge in the world. One day I started in HKG in the CX first lounge, transited in the JAL first lounge in NRT and finished in the Amex lounge in DFW and it was clearly the best of the three and I love the CX lounge in Hkg ( granted it was breakfast when I was there).
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My experience is limited to the DFW Amex lounge but I would choose it over any flagship lounge in the current system or for that matter almost any lounge in the world. One day I started in HKG in the CX first lounge, transited in the JAL first lounge in NRT and finished in the Amex lounge in DFW and it was clearly the best of the three and I love the CX lounge in Hkg ( granted it was breakfast when I was there).
Really? My experience with Centurion at DFW is that it can get very crowded, children running around, and the food at least once reminded me more of Sodexo that anything else. A serious premium lounge used by AA, BA, QF, QR would likely be nice.
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My experience is limited to the DFW Amex lounge but I would choose it over any flagship lounge in the current system or for that matter almost any lounge in the world.
First part, yes, agree. Second part: "for that matter almost any lounge in the world"-- no, most definitely not.
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In all the FL (or FC) lounges i've been to it is open bar. in the Amex Cent lounges you must go to the bar and order. But as a "trade off", the staff periodically passes through the lounge taking orders.
PS: right this minute I'm in the JAL FC lounge in NRT--they have Remy XO, I've never been in a lounge with that offering.^
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I'm curious as to why there's a thought that a new premium lounge or FL is an either/or proposition. Perhaps AA is sensing increased competition in the premium int'l market out of DFW with the addition of the new premium lounge and feels that a FL is needed to keep up.
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Old Jun 1, 2015, 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by Catbert10
I'm curious as to why there's a thought that a new premium lounge or FL is an either/or proposition. Perhaps AA is sensing increased competition in the premium int'l market out of DFW with the addition of the new premium lounge and feels that a FL is needed to keep up.
Last year iirc, a significant money was paid to a consultant firm to study the issue. An RFP was let.

I'm guessing the fact three one world airlines are paying good money to operate their own lounges has got some serious thought focused on this issue - finally.
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Originally Posted by cova
Not sure where AA will put a new Flagship lounge at DFW. My guess is they could separate off part of Term D lounge or add an extension. Then more like LAX and JFK with card access to that section - rather than a completely separate location like the one at ORD.

Could be the AmEx lounges are making AA reconsider putting in more FLs. I know that when I am on a OW international flight - I go to the AmEx lounge rather than the AC or even the QF contract lounge.
My question is why does AA care if AA premium customers decide to use the Centurion lounge? If anything the implementation of the Centurian lounge would lower the need of a FL as the benefits of OAs using a premium lounge to entice defection of AA customers lessens.

Hell their premium passenger use of Centurian saves them money and does not increase the risk of defection.
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