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NOTE: AA uses Terminals 4 and 5, the remote “Eagle’s Nest” and some gates at TBIT . International Arrivals in particular may use T4, TBIT (100s numbered gates), the remote arrival piers (200s) or the maintenance hangars (300s); in the latter cases, passengers will be bussed to T4 (domestic and some international) or TBIT (some international), as both have USCBP processing facilities.

Link to Los Angeles World Airports' LAX Airport website

NOTE: LAX is always undergoing changes; be aware the information herein may change. See here for LAWA notices affecting passengers.

Link LAWA / LAX FAQ page.
Link to aa.com
Link to 14 Feb 2017 post with AA-AA Minimum Times Times

NOTE: The Admirals Club® lounge and Flagship Lounge in Terminal 4 at Los Angeles International (LAX) have been renovated and include Flagship Dining for those in eligible three class First cabin.

Special notice

AA operate from multiple terminals at LAX. Check in at Terminal 5, east end (Gates 50-59, including Remote American Eagle terminal, gates 52A-J) or Terminal 4 (Gates 40-49, 110-159). (As of 31 Jan 2017)

NOTE: the 100s gates are at the Tom Bradley International Air Terminal (aka Terminal B), accessible to / from Terminal 4 by the airside connector if you are already airside and security cleared. The 200 gates are the remote piers served by bus, and the 300 “gates” are the maintenance hangars served by bus.

Check-in times as of March 2016 Link
In most locations, you must be checked in:

At least 45 minutes before scheduled departure, for flights within the United States

At least 60 minutes before scheduled departure, for flights to or from airports outside of the United States. Some non-US require more.

If you are checking in with baggage to check at T-4, not T-5, and flying American Eagle from the remote "Eagle's Nest" 52A-J gates (31 Jan 2017 and after), you must check in 90 minutes prior to departure.

LAYOUT: LAX is like a letter "U" on its side, open end facing right. The Tom Bradley International Terminal is the bar of the "U" facing left, on the west side. Terminals 1, 2 and 3 on the north and 4 - 8 on the south. Entering the semicircular, counter-clockwise roadway serving the terminals, you will pass terminals 1, 2, 3, TBIT, 4, 5, 6, etc. There is quite a bit of construction going on and the airport roadways can get quite congested.

MCT: Though international to International or Domestic Minimum Connect Times (MCT) are listed as 2:00, arriving at the remote western 200 pads and gates (served by busses from the terminals), connecting between T4, T6, Remote Eagle terminal and TBIT, not to mention lengthy USCBP queues and the need to proceed landslide to connecting terminals and processing security may make 2:00 unrealistic at times. MCT Domestic to Domestic or International is often 0:40, but this may be unrealistic if connecting American Eagle remote terminal 52A-J and a domestic flight at TBIT, for example.

Operating terminals and gates
Terminal 4: AA primarily uses Terminal 4, Gates 40-49 but now also uses Terminal 5 (50-59, 52A-I remote Eagle gates and TBIT (110-159). Flagship Checkin, Admirals Club and Flagship Lounge are all in T-4.
Tom Bradley International Terminal ("100") gates 110-159 for domestic and international flights, with no particular flight assignment - check your gates information.

oneworld Business and Qantas First lounges in TBIT for qualified passengers. See LOUNGE DASHBOARD for further information - link.

Occasionally, the "200 gates" remote pads (bus from T-4) may be used. Terminal 4 and TBIT are connected airside by a new connector. Qualified travelers may use the TBIT oneworld Business or Qantas First lounges. See separate thread.

Terminal 5
AS OF Tue 31 Jan 2017: Legacy US flights operate from Terminal 5, gates 50 - 59. It is best to check in for American Eagle flights at T-5. Airside connection exists, as well as shuttles. Bus port at T-5 is at gate 52. American Eagle checked baggage is delivered to Terminal 5 baggage carousels; Eagle remote gates are now numbered 52A-J.

Terminal 6: Alaska Airlines flights operate from Terminal 6.

Legacy US flights operated from Terminal 6 until 31 Jan 2017; AA no longer operates out of Terminal 6.

American Eagle Remote Terminal "Eagle's Nest": Regional flights operate at a remote terminal served frequently by airside shuttle busses from bus gates 44 and 60. The remote American Eagle terminal gate numeration has changed: "May 16 2016 the remote gates at LAX formerly 44 A-J were renumbered to 60 A-J." There is a "junior" Admirals Club here. Preferred Eagle check in and baggage carousels are in T-5?

While you may check in at T-4 for American Eagle, those with baggage to check must do so no less than 90 minutes prior to departure. The preferred baggage check deadline is in place at T-5 for American Eagle.

Walking Interterminal - Landside

Note: You can walk airside between Terminal 4 and TBIT as of 25 Feb 2016. See LAX Terminal 4 - Tom Bradley Intl Terminal Secure Connector), and on to T-5 via a corridor (ground floor, by bus gate 44).

Terminals on the south side and TBIT are connected airside. A PDF guide is downloadable here.

One can also walk landside between terminals on upper or lower walkway sidewalks just outside the roadway. Lower walkways are protected from the weather, upper walkways are not. Distances can be short (T-4 <-> TBIT) or long (20 minutes or less in all cases, and there are crosswalks and walkways serving north and south terminals. See north - south blue corridors in Ground Transport map, above; walkways parallel them.

For access to the Tom Bradley International Terminal ("TBIT") one may also proceed landslide and walk a short distance, or take the counter clockwise landside courtesy airport shuttle bus.

Originally Posted by QueenOfCoach
Here is a graphic I made from a Google Earth Streetview screenshot that shows how close T4 is to TBIT. It's a two-minute walk. One minute if you are fast.
Link to fullsize map


Airside - Shuttle Bus or Walking

Airside shuttle busses:

NO BUS T-4 <-> T-5 (faster to walk pedestrian tunnel)
T-4 <-> Remote Eagle terminal (most efficient and frequent)
T-5 <-> Remote Eagle terminal (more frequent than from / to T-4)

Terminals 4 and 5: A courtesy shuttle bus operates airside between Terminal 4, ex-gate 44 bus gate, and Terminal 6 gate 60-62 through Mon 30 Jan 2017 - afterwards, Terminal gate 52, every fifteen minutes between 05:00 and 23:00; ongoing boarding pass required. At other times one either take the airside corridor T-5 Tue 31 Jan and after <-> T-4 or exit landslide and walk or take the counter-clockwise landslide courtesy shuttle bus.

American Eagle Remote Terminal: A courtesy shuttle bus serves the American Eagle remote terminal from Terminal 5, gate 52. Note: American Eagle checked baggage is delivered to Terminal 5 baggage carousels. Another shuttle runs from Terminal 4, gate 44 bus gate. A boarding pass to Gate 52A-I is required. This is the sole way of reaching these gates (other than Five Star Service passengers, who are shuttled via the Tarmac in Cadillac SUVs).

Terminal 4 - TBIT: The new pedestrian airside connector opened 25 Feb 2015. Qantas and AA passengers departing the TBIT can check in at Terminal 4, process airside, use Admirals or Flagship lounges T-4 <-> TBIT shuttles apparently ended when the airside connector open 25 Feb 2016[/hl].

Walk Terminals 4 and 5: One can walk airside using the Terminal 4 - 5 - 6 connector.

Walk Terminal 4 - TBIT airside connector: An airside connector leading to TBIT is open effective 25 Feb 2016. See here (FT) for more.


Getting from terminal to terminal, concourse to concourse, landside

Landside courtesy airport shuttle bus
  • "A" line buses: Transports passengers between terminals. "A" route operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and runs every 10 minutes (counter clockwise)
  • "C" line buses: Transports passengers to and from Parking Lot C. Travelers can walk to the LAX City Bus Center from Lot C. "C" route operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and runs every 10 to 15 minutes.
  • "G" line busses: Transports passengers with a valid TAP card to and from the Metro Green Line Aviation Station. Service is aligned with the rail schedule. To view, please go to www.metro.net . Click here for Green line Boarding Procedures (PDF document). TAP card is not required when taking the G Bus from LAX to the Aviation Metro Station.
  • Use this link for a real time map display of shuttle bus locations and movements.
  • Rental car company busses: transport passengers between terminals and car rental facilities.
Ground Transportation stops and pickups at LAX
NOTE: Rental, hotel shuttle, Über, etc. stops are in front of each terminal on the arrivals / lower level at the island crossing the first lanes of traffic.

Security at LAX
Link to FlyerGuide information on LAX T-4 Security.

TSA PreCheck: Yes (Terminal 4 upstairs, east; Terminal 5?)

Priority Access line in a Terminal 4 is accessed from the escalator on the left end (looking at the counters) of the terminal (furthest from TBIT, closest to terminal 5), next to the Priority Access check-in area. Often there is an AA worker at the bottom of the escalator making sure only Priority Access passengers go up this escalator. The First, Business and Priority Access lines now have their own screening room far from the economy area. This private room has multiple screening lines and during peak periods additional lines are opened up.

Security for (TBIT) international arrivals proceeding to Terminal 4 is open as of February 2017. When exiting TBIT customs and baggage recheck area, turn right immediately after the exit and proceed down the hallway to the checkpoint. No Pre-Check.

Check-in and ticketing at LAX and check in times Link
Flagship Check-in: YES Marked exclusive T-4 Flagship check-in entrance 4:00 a.m. – 1:00 a.m.
Five Star Service: YES
Priority and Preferred Access: YES
Curbside check-in: Yes. Terminal 4 only, including for international destinations.

To help us get your bag on the same flight with you, present your bag to an airline representative for check-in no later than the cutoff time.

For flights within and between the U.S., Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands:
  • Check bags at least 45 minutes prior to scheduled departure at LAX
For flights originating in airports outside the U.S. or flights departing the U.S. for an international destination:
  • Check bags at least 60 minutes prior to scheduled departure (90’ if checking for Eagle at T-4 instead of T-5)
Time to baggage delivery: expect 0:30 or more.

Ticket counter locations
Terminal 4: upon entry, Qantas to right; First and Priority Access to left; Main Cabin straight ahead.
Self-service check-in kiosks available.
Open Daily: 04:00 - 00:30 (4 am to midnight + 30)

Terminal 5, east side: OPEN Tue 31 Jan 2017
Open Daily: 4:30 AM - 12:30 AM

Terminal 6: CLOSE Tue 31 Jan 2017
Open Daily: 4:30 AM - 12:30 AM

If departing on American Eagle, suggested check-in at T-5 Tue 31 Jan 2017 or after.

Minimum and reasonable connection and check-in times at LAX
See 20 May 2016 ExpertFlyer MCT listings here:
Originally Posted by serfty
The MCT's for AA at LAX are a mess...
Q. What are minimum check-in time requirements at LAX?
AA requires arriving a minimum of 45 minutes prior to domestic departures if departing domestically (including Hawai'i, Puerto Rico and the U. S. Virgin Islands) if one has no baggage to check; 60 minutes if one must check baggage; and two hours prior to international departures.

Additionally, AA requires passengers be checked in at least 45 minutes prior to scheduled departure at LAX and "Arrive at the gate and be ready to board at least 15 minutes prior to domestic departure" and 30 minutes prior to international departure. Gates close to boarding 10 minutes prior to departure.

Q. What is the domestic to domestic or domestic to international Minimum Connection Time (MCT)?
The minimum connect time at LAX, domestic to domestic or international, is 0:40 minutes. International to domestic or international MCT is 2:00, but as mentioned previously, this may be insufficient. Note: MCT is generally not waived for international passengers arriving from USCBP pre-clearance airports.

See AA domestic to international MCT from ExpertFlyer Nov 2016 c/o Serfty here.
Q. If I am making an international to international connection, what is the process?

There is no international transit process in nearly all airports in the USA (DFW and MIA have a baggage exception for international to international). Arriving internationally, unless you have been pre-cleared, you must proceed through U. S. immigration (there are kiosks and a fast channel for Global Entry approved passengers), recover your baggage from the baggage carousel and proceed through U. S. Customs.

Upon exiting Customs at TBIT there is a bag drop facility; drop your checked baggage, exit to the landside arrivals area. Pre-cleared passengers arriving at TBIT will bypass USCBP (but most airlines will enforce international to domestic MCT nonetheless).

ALL arrivals are forced landside (you may pass back through security at the TBIT end of the T-4 - TBIT connector) and Terminal 4 is a short walk to your right, Terminal 6 farther; one can board courtesy airport "A" busses and be dropped off very shortly at T-4 or T-5.

NOTE: Whilst most international Arrivals process immigration and customs at TBIT, some arriving at T-4 may walk a long underground passage and process formalities at TBIT. Others may process at T-4, but if you arrive with bags those will be available at TBIT.

There is no Arrivals Loinge for AA or oneworld customers at LAX.

Q. What is AA policy if I have separate tickets and my incoming flight is delayed?
Protection for oneworld world customers travelling on separate bookings:oneworld Global Support

Your oneworld connection is generally not officially protected, but the airline may help you and put you on the next available flight, and AA does generally protect oneworld connections at this time..

If your flights are on the same PNR:

Connecting between airlines at unfamiliar airports can be a stressful experience, especially if your flight is delayed. American Airlines recognizes the impact delays and missed connections can have on your plans and on your life. That is why we partnered with the other oneworld member airlines to form teams of connection experts: oneworld Global Support.

At select airports across the oneworld alliance network, teams are proactively monitoring connecting flights and, whenever possible, they will meet and assist you if your connection is in jeopardy. The oneworld Global Support teams will do their best to allow you to use dedicated fast track lanes through immigration or security to help you catch your next flight. Our teams will also do everything possible to transfer your baggage so that it makes it on time to your final destination.

If you miss your connecting flight, the oneworld Global Support team will provide you with updated travel information, a new boarding pass and, where applicable, assistance with overnight accommodations.

oneworld Global Support is currently available at Chicago O'Hare, Dallas/Fort Worth, London Heathrow, Los Angeles, Madrid-Barajas, Miami, New York JFK and Sydney. The service is offered at these airports whenever possible, subject to operational constraints.
See:oneworld not requiring protection or interline baggage 1 Jun 2016; AA policy

Q. Can I check my baggage through?
If you're connecting within the oneworld alliance or airlines with an interline agreement and your connection is under eleven hours, all segments on the same PNR, probably. If over that or with separate PNRs (even within oneworld) airlines without an interline agreements with AA or on separate tickets connecting with non-oneworld airlines, no.

See oneworld not requiring protection or interline baggage 1 Jun 2016; AA policy.

Q. Is there baggage storage at LAX?
No. Since 9/11 most USA airports have eliminated baggage storage, but you can use a baggage storage firm that will pick up, store and return your baggage. You do not have to pre-book, and they are open 24/7: http://www.laxluggagestorage.com. There are $5 pickup, $5 return and storage charges.

WiFi at LAX:
"Internet Access at Los Angeles LAX Airport. LAX Airport offers free internet access, with paid upgrades: Free Wi-Fi service for up to 44 minutes is available in most of the public areas of the Airport - provided by Advanced Wireless Group."

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Other resources
  • Link to AA FAQ: Will I make my connection?
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Old Aug 11, 2022, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by carlosdca
There are usually two evening AA flights to LAS; is the 3PM really the last one? What day is this?
Saturday 17th September.
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Old Aug 11, 2022, 10:28 am
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Originally Posted by Papa.Lima.Echo
Originally Posted by carlosdca
There are usually two evening AA flights to LAS; is the 3PM really the last one? What day is this?
Saturday 17th September.
There are only two non-stop flights that day. Weird.

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Old Aug 11, 2022, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by Papa.Lima.Echo
Saturday 17th September.
Ok. Makes sense.
I have been re-booked to United in the past so I don't see why AA would not rebook you on the Alaska flight. Seems doable and there are options should you miss the flight to LAS.
Having said that, given the schedule change you could call AA and ask to be switched to a different flight through a different connecting airport or perhaps asking to be put on the AS flight?. Why not try to rebook to the non-stop LHR-LAS?
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Old Aug 11, 2022, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by carlosdca
Ok. Makes sense.
I have been re-booked to United in the past so I don't see why AA would not rebook you on the Alaska flight. Seems doable and there are options should you miss the flight to LAS.
Having said that, given the schedule change you could call AA and ask to be switched to a different flight through a different connecting airport or perhaps asking to be put on the AS flight?. Why not try to rebook to the non-stop LHR-LAS?
Thanks, good to know. Unfortunately this is a BA ticket (part of a BA holiday) and I too hastily accepted the change without fully appreciating the implications. I suspect that even if I managed to get through to BA holidays (which is a bit of an ordeal at the moment), they would want to reprice since it would become a voluntary change. Lesson learned on my part.
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Old Aug 12, 2022, 7:18 pm
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2 hours is fine but you can increase your odds if you don't check any bags.

Since BA issued the ticket for both segment, then BA will have to rebook you if you miss the connection. I'd say chances are fairly good they will put you on a later non-AA flight from LAX to LAS. There are 15+ daily flights on several airlines so there will be empty seats on some of the flights. But there is no guarantees of course.

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Old Aug 13, 2022, 3:22 am
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Originally Posted by carlosdca
Yes and No.
If you check your bag and have no carry-on to wait for, you will be first to get out of the plane and first on the line to the bus to T4.
The bus ride can take as little as 10 mins. Walk to to TBIT gate from T4 about 10-15 mins.
Can confirm walk time from T4 to TBIT. Walk time from the AC in T4 to Gate 155 in TBIT was 14 minutes with a roll-along bag.
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Old Aug 17, 2022, 3:37 pm
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I'm considering taking the JFK-LAX 9pm in F which gets in at 12:25am and connects to a 6:15am flight to PHX. At 40K it is cost effective. The schedule may change which would make this irrelevant. Assuming the schedule holds, what would I do until for 5 hours at LAX? I think I get club access again at 4:30 am. I'm by myself but I think this would be too exhasting to pull off. What are your thoughts?
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Old Aug 17, 2022, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by mileshound
I'm considering taking the JFK-LAX 9pm in F which gets in at 12:25am and connects to a 6:15am flight to PHX. At 40K it is cost effective. The schedule may change which would make this irrelevant. Assuming the schedule holds, what would I do until for 5 hours at LAX? I think I get club access again at 4:30 am. I'm by myself but I think this would be too exhasting to pull off. What are your thoughts?
Take a look at this (older) thread and a report from 2019:

Sleeping / Spending Overnight Airside at LAX

LAX overnight sleeping near gate 40
Originally Posted by ViajandoConMillas
Recently, I had to wait 7 hours in LAX overnight. I came in with another flight and neither left the secure area, nor did I check my bags out. All launges closed at about 12:30am. There are many airport employees, security guards, and overnight passengers around, it does not feel unsafe.

I slept in a waiting area near gate 40. A few other passengers were sleeping on the floor and seats (I don't know how they do it with the fixed arm rest..), and there are airport employees working on the hallways (cleaning, etc.); their machines can get a little noisy for short moments. It felt safe and the TSA did not come to kick people out. There are other places further away that become more quiet, such as the International area, but there is much less people around.
Btw, couples, single men, single women do sleep overnight. So others also think this is safe.

I found a sleeping spot on the floor against the windows, behind one of the large rounded columns that covers a little bit from light and noise, and with no people traffic right there.
I put documents, cell, and cash on my pant pockets, and used my backpack as a pillow; covered myself wth my jacket and got about 4 hours of nice sleep.. At 5am the shops opened again and there were lots of passengers already. I got some warm Dunkin Donught for breakfast and moved to my plane.

Btw, the satellite gates such as 52 from American Eagle, close at night. Do not go there until before your flight. There are only a few vending machines, better to get good food at the main gates.
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Old Aug 17, 2022, 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by mileshound
I'm considering taking the JFK-LAX 9pm in F which gets in at 12:25am and connects to a 6:15am flight to PHX. At 40K it is cost effective. The schedule may change which would make this irrelevant. Assuming the schedule holds, what would I do until for 5 hours at LAX? I think I get club access again at 4:30 am. I'm by myself but I think this would be too exhasting to pull off. What are your thoughts?
Don't understand the logic of this.
You are willing to spend 5 hours like a homeless at the airport for the sake of flying F on a 5 hour flight?
Other than a hotel, a 5 hour overnight wait at the airport is brutal.
You are better off paying $180 for the first non-stop flight in the morning in economy.
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Old Aug 17, 2022, 4:38 pm
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Originally Posted by carlosdca
Don't understand the logic of this.
You are willing to spend 5 hours like a homeless at the airport for the sake of flying F on a 5 hour flight?
Other than a hotel, a 5 hour overnight wait at the airport is brutal.
You are better off paying $180 for the first non-stop flight in the morning in economy.
It's a 5hr 3 class F flight plus the FFD in JFK for several hours. Price in miles is actually less than other 2 class F ones. It doesn't make total sense and wouldn't do it with another person but if by myself it has me thinking.
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Old Aug 17, 2022, 9:30 pm
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Originally Posted by mileshound
It's a 5hr 3 class F flight plus the FFD in JFK for several hours. Price in miles is actually less than other 2 class F ones. It doesn't make total sense and wouldn't do it with another person but if by myself it has me thinking.
JFK-LAX A321T with FFD + FL is nice and at 40k miles is a fantastic deal, but 5 hours overnight layover at LAX to take a flight to PHX isn't worth it in my opinion. If you really want the A321T F experience and want the maximize your miles with the additional cost being 5 hours of additional time, I guess that's a fair trade; I've taken this flight in J and F and it blows 2 class F out of the water. Personally, I'd much rather take the non stop domestic F on a A321NEO if the miles were the same and not spend 10+ hours on a plane + airport.
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Old Aug 18, 2022, 12:04 am
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Is 40k mile redemption only on this flight? Can you pick an earlier JFK-LAX flight with the same miles?

5 hours overnight is kind of brutal and pointless. I would rather arrive a couple of hours earlier and leave the airport for a nice meal and check into a hotel.

I get the A321T F experience with 40k miles is a sound decision. Just not sure I'd subject myself to the punishment of sleeping on the floor of T4 after such a nice flight.
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Old Nov 9, 2022, 3:08 pm
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Will I stay airside at LAX when leaving international?

Next week I'm flying Hawaii to LAX then 8 hours later LAX to LHR.

As per title, can I stay airside so I can go straight to the lounge or as my second leg is international will I need to exit or otherwise go back through security again ?

Thanks
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Old Nov 9, 2022, 3:12 pm
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No, you can stay airside for the entire 8 hours if you'd like. Arriving from Hawaii is no different than any other domestic flight, arrive then just walk to the lounge.
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Old Nov 9, 2022, 4:04 pm
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Thank you.

Originally Posted by JJeffrey
No, you can stay airside for the entire 8 hours if you'd like. Arriving from Hawaii is no different than any other domestic flight, arrive then just walk to the lounge.
thanks. ISTR that I once had to do this but maybe it was arriving from international and then going domestic.
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