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beachfan Feb 28, 2017 8:40 am

I got Lax Bos at t-45 with the flight down to 3 open seats in up front and a timely email to boot!

Long Train Runnin Feb 28, 2017 9:59 am

Last two domestic flight data points from me:

EWR-DFW cleared at the T-4 sweep.
DFW-EWR cleared at T-100

Making me 6 for 6 for the year with nothing going to the gate. I'll take it. ^

Oformula Mar 1, 2017 10:55 am

Cleared DCA-SYR at T-48.

josmul123 Mar 1, 2017 3:34 pm

Cleared at T-100 (Well, T-99 Hours, 50 minutes) for PHL-DTW this Sunday.

apeortdz Mar 2, 2017 2:31 pm

Cleared at T-107 for Monday night. The FC cabin was wide open and still 12/16 seats open. Redeye flight.

HofstraJet Mar 2, 2017 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 27940129)
As a few others along with me have reported, it appears comp upgrades clear before SWU upgrades.

All things considered - this is probably a good thing for higher tier elites as we will clear via comp upgrade before those waitlisted with miles+copay (including individuals with no elite status).

when you say comp, does that mean stickers before copay/miles?

golfingboy Mar 2, 2017 5:39 pm


Originally Posted by HofstraJet (Post 27982088)
when you say comp, does that mean stickers before copay/miles?

Yes, at least between T-120 and T-4 assuming zero C space. The main advantage of miles/copy is that they can confirm anytime between time of booking and T-4 if C space is available, however once we get inside T-120 (CK's upgrade window) it appears AA processes those off of R space waitlist first before those on C space waitlist.

Some of us reported that we cleared 2-3 days before departure while our SWU requests were still pending, which led me to this probable conclusion.

AANYC1981 Mar 2, 2017 6:21 pm


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 27982815)
Yes, at least between T-120 and T-4 assuming zero C space. The main advantage of miles/copy is that they can confirm anytime between time of booking and T-4 if C space is available, however once we get inside T-120 (CK's upgrade window) it appears AA processes those off of R space waitlist first before those on C space waitlist.

Some of us reported that we cleared 2-3 days before departure while our SWU requests were still pending, which led me to this probable conclusion.

That seems backwards no? Also the opposite of how it used to be.

JonNYC Mar 2, 2017 6:25 pm


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 27982815)
Yes, at least between T-120 and T-4 assuming zero C space. The main advantage of miles/copy is that they can confirm anytime between time of booking and T-4 if C space is available, however once we get inside T-120 (CK's upgrade window) it appears AA processes those off of R space waitlist first before those on C space waitlist.

Some of us reported that we cleared 2-3 days before departure while our SWU requests were still pending, which led me to this probable conclusion.

I've been seeing you post about this and I have to say, personally, I'm not entirely sure the science behind this conclusion is solid.

golfingboy Mar 2, 2017 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by AANYC1981 (Post 27982949)
That seems backwards no? Also the opposite of how it used to be.

Technically speaking, yes, because in the past A space was almost always available as long as they are still selling F seats.


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 27982969)
I've been seeing you post about this and I have to say, personally, I'm not entirely sure the science behind this conclusion is solid.

I am not 100% confident in my theory too. At least 2 others reported similar situations. What led me to think this...

1. I got Complimentary upgrade confirmation email (the one that talks about e-500 along with disclaimer no 500 miler upgrades will be deducted if you are CK, EXP, etc). I have never gotten an email when a SWU clears FWIW.
2. I was in F via upgrade and my name was still on the upgrade list.
3. Agent at PIT AC confirmed me she sees my SWU request still waitlisted - despite me already being in F.
4. My booking code was R on my BP, not C.
5. My now expired SWU was never deducted.

I don't think the intention was to prioritize R, just that the automated process seems to run R first when we are within a few days of departure.

Maybe this is because of the recent fix last January the system is pushing R upgrades through?

I have no clue, but definitely something we should keep an eye out for other reports...

gcsmith Mar 2, 2017 9:01 pm

Just dropped to Platinum two days ago and booked some flights yesterday (aa.com said Platinum at the time). Upgraded my next two segments at 96 and 102 hours. By current rules that shouldn't be possible more than 48 hours out. Maybe a database entry or two trailing on the downgrade. These were short < 500 mile segments so complimentary.

flightrisk Mar 2, 2017 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 27983076)
Technically speaking, yes, because in the past A space was almost always available as long as they are still selling F seats.



I am not 100% confident in my theory too. At least 2 others reported similar situations. What led me to think this...

1. I got Complimentary upgrade confirmation email (the one that talks about e-500 along with disclaimer no 500 miler upgrades will be deducted if you are CK, EXP, etc). I have never gotten an email when a SWU clears FWIW.
2. I was in F via upgrade and my name was still on the upgrade list.
3. Agent at PIT AC confirmed me she sees my SWU request still waitlisted - despite me already being in F.
4. My booking code was R on my BP, not C.
5. My now expired SWU was never deducted.

I don't think the intention was to prioritize R, just that the automated process seems to run R first when we are within a few days of departure.

Maybe this is because of the recent fix last January the system is pushing R upgrades through?

I have no clue, but definitely something we should keep an eye out for other reports...

I agree this is happening and the most likely explanation. I posted 2 similar experiences in the SWU thread. I received a FC seat and upgrade email, booking code not C, SWU not deducted, and still on the upgrade list.

But doesn't this seem like a degredation of the SWU benefit? It means that there is no benefit to waitlisting a SWU under 100 hours.

indiahoosier Mar 4, 2017 8:36 am

Cleared T-48 for JFK-SFO
 
My flight for AA15 from JFK to SFO on 5 Mar cleared at the T-48 window. There are still a few seats showing open. Probably helps it is a Sunday morning.

bse118 Mar 4, 2017 8:40 am


Originally Posted by flightrisk (Post 27983560)
But doesn't this seem like a degredation of the SWU benefit? It means that there is no benefit to waitlisting a SWU under 100 hours.

Doesn't have any affect on the international long hauls where the real value of the SWU is....

rjw242 Mar 4, 2017 8:52 am


Originally Posted by bse118 (Post 27989797)
Doesn't have any affect on the international long hauls where the real value of the SWU is....

Not necessarily. For anyone who doesn't fly internationally, the real value of a SWU used to be a near-certain upgrade on long domestic flights (often well in advance of the upgrade window). If normal domestic upgrades now typically clear before SWUs, there's much less point in using the latter.


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