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oneworld and other airline Awards Rules, Information 2015 on

NOTE: Check AA award charts for current awards costs.

List of airlines you can use in redeeming awards:

oneworld airlines (and their oneworld affiliates) are:
  • AA - American Airlines (and American Eagle)
  • BA - British Airways (and BA Cityflyer, Comair, Eastern Airways, Open Skies, Sun Air of Scandinavia, BA Limited) (incurs high YQ surcharge)
  • CX - Cathay Pacific (and KA - Dragonair)
  • AY - Finnair (and Privilege Style, Flybe Finland)
  • IB - Iberia (and Air Nostrum, Iberia Express) (incurs YQ surcharge)
  • JL - Japan Airlines (and J-Air)
  • LA - LAN (and LAN Express, LAN Colombia, LP - LAN Peru) / LATAM
  • MH - Malaysia Airlines
  • RJ - Royal Jordanian
  • QF - Qantas (and QantasLink, Jetconnect - not Jetstar)
  • QR - Qatar Airways
  • S7 - S7 (and Globus - but excludes far eastern Russia / Siberia)
  • UL - SriLankan Airlines
  • JJ - TAM (LATAM)
Non-oneworld airlines one can redeem (MileSAAver) awards on are:
  • TN - Air Tahiti Nui
  • AS - Alaska Airlines
  • EY - Etihad Airways
  • FJ - Fiji Airways (to become oneworld Connect partner)
  • GF - Gulf Air Ended May 2018
  • HA - Hawaiian Airlines
  • 9W - Jet Airways (India)
Airlines that can be booked for award travel on aa.com:

oneworld alliance partners
  • TN - Air Tahiti Nui
  • AA - American Airlines
  • AS - Alaska Airlines (not Virgin America)
  • AY - Finnair
  • BA - British Airways (awards incur YQ airline imposed surcharge)
  • FJ - Fiji Airways
  • HA - Hawaiian Airlines (not interisland not North America - Hawaii)
  • IB - Iberia (lesser YQ surcharge)
  • MH - Malaysia Airlines
  • QF - Qantas Airways
  • QR - Qatar Airways
  • RJ - Royal Jordanian Airlines
  • UL - Sri Lankan Airlines
All other airlines have to be requested by telephone; calling to book awards that cannot be booked online no longer incurs telephone service fees.

Routing assistance, etc.

Check this oneworld interactive map and timetable by Innosked to see potential routes, and you can sign up for British Airways Executive Club or Qantas Frequent Flyer to use their sites to find awards (look for the lowest level awards) you can't see on aa.com. Also see this link to AA.com listing oneworld airlines with information about each.

Originally Posted by JonNYC View Post
(Routings allowed)

Awards may be put on hold for five days. Awards may take time to be verified by the operating airlines. Once approved, they will proceed to a booking queue for ticket issuance; the sooner the trip, the faster the process - and vice versa. See link to thread, below.

Booking for, or changing an award to, travel sooner than 21 days out requires an early booking fee (waived for Executive Platinum members). One can not book farther out, change to closer in and evade this fee any longer (as of 16 Feb 2012)

Booking Business or First awards with JL / Japan Airlines one will only be able to fly in Economy domestically in Japan, but upgrades are quite inexpensive at 1,000 or so per flight.

See more below in "General Rules"

Latest changes:
  • As of Aug 2017, Connections are limited to two connections / three flight segments for domestic awards, and three connections / four flight segments for international awards. Link
  • Nov 2016: MH and 9W can now be used on AA or CX transpacific awards to India subcontinent via HKG in addition to CX
  • May 6, 2016: Regions split (Indian Subcontinent, Middle East)
  • Jet Airways discontinued EWR-BRU as of 27 March 2016.
  • As of 7 April 2014, the "free stopover" discussed can no longer be used as free award stopovers at international North American gateways have been eliminated.
  • Airlines are normally precluded from writing tickets with more than 16 segments.
AA Region Definitions*

Region definitions changed again May 6, 2016. Link

Links and resources:
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updated 11MAY15 by hillrider. Modified and updated from JonNYC's original post in the archived thread (please feel free to update):

Introduction

There are two types of awards discussed below, AA Awards and oneworld and Other Airlines Awards, which are targeted to passengers traveling to a single destination.

As of 1 October 2010 awards may be redeemed for travel on all British Airways flights, including previously excluded flights between the U.S. and U.K. Note that additional British Airways high YQ surcharges, as well as Iberia's lower YQ surcharges, apply based on class-of-service and market flown: see Earning and redeeming AA miles / upgrading on BA/IB; BA fuel surcharge (Oct 1, 2010)

Award Rules
  • American Airlines Awards are valid for travel on flights that are marketed and operated by AA (no codeshares). These awards can be booked online at AA.com.
  • oneworld and Other Airline awards are valid for travel on AA and any of its partner airlines, and can include travel on multiple partners. Many of these awards must be booked over the phone, and will not incur a Ticketing Service Charge (waived for EXPs in any case) if they cannot be booked online.
  • Up to four one-way awards can be booked on a single PNR.
General Rules, Routing and Connections

Passenger has 4h on domestic / 23h59m international travel to connect. If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover may require two awards).

If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the 4h / 23h59m windows and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the 4h / 23h59m window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight.

Effective on 14 Jul 2014 on an all-AA-metal award itinerary, you now have up to 18 hours to connect when traveling to/from Hawaii [[URL="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25730421-post993.html"]Ref]

The particular carrier's Maximum Permitted Miles / MPM + 25% on a particular route. (The MPM by itself often exceeds the distance between the origin and destination airports because connections may be required.)

Or, the "most significant carrier" (e.g. DFW-SFO-HKG-BKK, CX SFO-HKG is the prevailing or most significant carrier) must publish a non-constructed fare between your origin and destination.

To price as a single award, AAdvantage requires the most significant carrier to publish a cash fare (non-constructed) between the origin and destination. Airline MSC would have to have a published fare from XXX to YYY that allows travel on all included airlines, and routing that you want. If the MSC only offers constructed fares between your desired origin and destination, AA will price this as two awards.

Stopovers

None allowed.

Partner award inventories

Award booking inventory classes for each carrier in the AAdvantage Award program are listed below and may be useful when on the phone with an AA rep or when checking availability. See also the Award Booking Codes page in the FlyerGuide wiki for updated information.


Code:
oneworld Partners First Business Economy
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 AA - American Airlines Z U T
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 AY  Finnair U X
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 BA  British Airways Z U X
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 CX  Cathay Pacific Z U T
 KA - DragonAir
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 IB  Iberia U X
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 JJ - TAM Airlines O I X
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 JL  Japan Airlines (Intl) Z U T
 JL  Japan Airlines (Dom) Z D S
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 LA  LATAM / LAN Chile Z U T
 XL - LAN Ecuador
 LP - LAN Peru
 4M - LAN Argentina
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 MH - Malaysia Airlines P U X
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 QF - QANTAS Airways P U X
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 QR - Qatar Airways Z U X
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 RJ  Royal Jordanian U X
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 S7  S7 Airlines U E
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 UL - SriLankan Airlines
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 Other Partners First Business Economy
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 FJ  Fiji Airways U X
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 TN  Air Tahiti Nui F for Business U for Economy
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 AS  Alaska Airlines A W
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 LY  El Al Israel P X E
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 EY - Etihad O I N
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 HA  Hawaiian Airlines D T
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General Routing Rules

Routing

General Rules

Passenger has 4h / 23h59m to connect (depending on domestic or international travel). If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover.

If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the 4h / 23h59m window and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the 4h / 23h59m window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. It is not necessary to check every flight/carrier to ensure passenger is booked on next scheduled flight.

Must meet Married Segment Logic - a prospective trip may be available when searching segment by segment, yet not be bookable through from origin to destination. When selling seats for through flights and the desired inventory is not available, you cannot opt to sell the flight point-to-point. If sold point-to-point, the error response MULTIPLE SEGMENTS FOR SAME FLIGHT - SELL AS ONE SEGMENT will be received, indicating this booking is not allowed. Overriding the error check by ending the PNR twice is not acceptable.

Within North America
  • Awards wholly within North America are valid on all partner airlines that market and operate their own service within North America.
  • Travel between two cities in the United States via Canada/Mexico is not allowed.
  • Travel between two cities in Canada/Mexico via the United States is not allowed.
  • Passenger must travel the most direct routing.
  • Connections of more than 4 hours are considered a stopover unless the passenger is taking the next scheduled flight and it is outside the 4 hours.
  • Any connection of 24 hours is always considered a stopover.
  • Award travel between Hawaii and North America does not include inter-island flights.
  • Inter-island award travel will allow a maxium of 2 flight segments.
North America To/from Other Regions
  • Award travel to/from North America is allowed on any combination of carriers that service the applicable region except as noted below.
  • Passenger must use most direct routing.
  • Hawaiian Airlines is not valid for these awards.
  • As of Oct 1, 2010, British Airways is valid for all routes, including transatlantic flights between the U.S. and U.K.
  • Travel to Europe, Africa and the Indian Sub-Continent/Middle East must be via the Atlantic only.
  • Travel to Asia 1, Asia 2 and the South Pacific must be via the Pacific.
  • Travel to/from Fiji/Papeete cannot be via Australia/New Zealand.
  • Travel to Easter Island (IPC) must be via Papeete (PPT) or use two awards.
  • North American travel to/from Guam or Saipan, the transpacific segment must be on AA.
  • Passenger has 23h59m to connect, regardless of availability.
  • A connection with more than 23h59m will be considered a stopover.
Travel Wholly Within or Between All Other Regions
These awards do not allow a connection via North America and therefore, do not include travel on American Airlines.
  • Passenger must travel the most direct routing.
  • Connecting travel is not allowed outside the region or regions.
  • Passenger has 23h59m to connect, regardless of availability.
  • A connection with more than 24 hours will be considered a stopover.
Travel Via a Third Region

Travel via a third region is not allowed (note the exception table below).

EXCEPTION TABLE:
To/From Via
  • North America to/from Africa can connect in Europe or in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • North America to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
  • North America to/from Asia 2 can connect in Asia 1
  • Central/South America to/from Africa can connect in Europe
  • Central/South America to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
  • Central/South America to/from South Pacific can connect in South America 2
  • South America 2 to/from Africa can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • South America 2 to/from Indian Sub Continent/Middle East can connect in Europe
  • Europe to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2 or DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • Europe to/from Asia 2 can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • Europe to/from South Pacific can connect in Singapore or Bangkok only. Note: this may have been updated to include Bangkok, Doha, Hong Kong, Osaka, Singapore or Tokyo.
  • Africa to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2 or in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • Africa to/from Asia 2 can connect in DOH if connecting QR-QR
  • Indian Sub Continent/Middle East to/from Asia 1 can connect in Asia 2
  • Indian Sub Continent/Middle East to/from South Pacific can connect in Asia 2
  • Asia 1 to/from South Pacific can connect in Asia 2
Regions:
  • Asia 1 = Japan, Korea, Mongolia
  • Asia 2 = Bhutan, Brunei, China, Guam, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Saipan, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam
  • South America 2 = Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile (excluding Easter Island), Paraguay, Uruguay
Travel on LAN direct flights between North America and South America Region 2 are allowed. Currently, only one market, Miami to/from Buenos Aries, has direct service. These can only be booked by the liaisons. Contact support for booking assistance.

For permitted changes and fees, see this post


Resources

NOTE: New award charts are in place for awards made 22 March 2016 or later. See the American Airlines charts here and the oneworld and partner award charts here, both those effective through 21 March 2016 and those taking effect 22 Mar 2016.
Awards assistance tools: Use at your own risk; may not be up to date. These are not recommendations.

  • Check this oneworld interactive map and timetable by Innosked to see potential routes.

  • British Airways Executive Club: You can sign up for British Airways Executive Club, Japan Airlines JAL Mileage Bank or Qantas Frequent Flyer to use their sites to find awards (look for the lowest level awards) you can't see on aa.com. Can show "phantom" availability.

  • Award Nexus: It's easy to do your experiments for some free browsing (click "more signup options" under the green Purchase button to sign up with your FlyerTalk login info). You might want to run each segment rather than origin to destination.

  • AwardAce: Compare Award Redemptions Across Airlines In Seconds

  • AwardHacker: "a tool we build to tell you how to travel with the least miles"

  • Award Nexus: which can search availability but can't determine cost, with FT member free limited use

  • Economical Excursionist's Tools: compare Frequent Flyer Mile Redemptions

  • ExpertFlyer is a common tool used on FT. There is a $99.99 annual fee, monthly fee and five day trial

  • Great Circle Mapper is useful for calculating distance and MPM (Maximum Permitted Mileage)

  • You can try PEX+ (currently in beta), which will even tell you how many miles you'll need, though it draws data from aa.com and S7 so it can't reveal awards that can not be seen on those sites.

  • Travel Codex Award Maximiser commercial blog

Links to other threads of interest:

MileSAAver / SAAver Award Availability - Help, Assistance & Discussion (consolidated)

Help with British Airways / BA surcharge / YQ (AA award on BA, consolidated)

UK APD / Air Passenger Duty charged for UK departures

Award with available segments not bookable? (Married Segment issues)

MileSAAver / SAAver award reduction / scarcity >= Aug 2011 onward (consolidated)

Ticket or Award status: On Request, Pending, Purchased and Ticketed (consolidated)

Link to archived older posts from this thread.

Thanks and a tip of the hat to aktchi, eponymous-coward, guv1976, hillrider, iztok, JonNYC and others who have contributed to this wiki.


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Old Jun 11, 15, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by gottaluvNW View Post
I am attempting a booking in first class: Singapore - London - New York.
AA insists this is two awards. 70k + 62.5k
I have tried to unsuccessfully book this as an Asia-USA award routing for 67,500 miles.

Is the agent incorrect? Or am I?
You are incorrect, you cannot route via Europe on an Asia-USA award.
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Old Jun 11, 15, 9:03 am
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Oneworld Award Routing Question

Hi all

I had a question about an allowable award routing. I would like to go from HND > HKG > PEK on Cathay. I'm thinking this isn't allowed as as it is more than 125% of the MPM.

Do I have a shot at getting this on one award - or are they going to make me split it?

Thanks

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Old Jun 11, 15, 9:06 am
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Hi all

I had a question about an allowable award routing. I would like to go from HND > HKG > PEK on Cathay. I'm thinking this isn't allowed as as it is more than 125% of the MPM, however there are no direct flights from HND > PEK on a oneworld carrier.

Do I have a shot at getting this on one award - or are they going to make me split it?

Thanks!
JL flies HND-PEK
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Old Jun 11, 15, 10:18 am
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Easiest way to know is to call up and try it. We can speculate but it depends on the agent. If you get a nice one they can sometimes manually change the number of miles. Had that happen once. It was great.
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Old Jun 11, 15, 5:14 pm
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Changing my post to update. Had a hold cancelled on a F ticket. Basically the day before I had a J ticket already booked. The F ticket opened up so I put a hold on it while the rest of my miles came in. The miles came in last night and I called around 1am today to make the booking upgrading the J seat to the F seat on first class flight. The rep indicated there was a problem with the way my name was spelled in the computer (last two letters of first name were cut off) and he had to send it to IT to get it fixed but since I had hold until sunday it was no problem and I will get seat. This afternoon I checked my account on a whim and my hold was gone. I called AA but they were not taking calls. I checked publicly and did not see any F available. Finally I got through to AA and got a decent rep (sometimes you get people that will be nasty and just screw you over and sometimes you get people who actually try to help). Luckily this woman was one of the later and she did not see the hold in my history until she dug deeper. Fortunately she was able to find what I was talking about and was able to rebook me on the same F seat (I guess we caught it before it went public again). So I have my F awards in and outbound now on request. Hopefully nothing goes wrong and they get ticketed ::knock on wood::

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Old Jun 11, 15, 11:33 pm
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Can someone please tell me the MPM for CMB-MEL? Im trying to work out of CMB-HKG-MEL would be a valid AA redemption (its a published revenue fare)
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Old Jun 12, 15, 12:15 am
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Award travel using AA: Need 2 tkts in biz, but found 1 tkt in coach and other in biz

Hi all,

Could use some help. I am planning to book award travel for 2 adults using AA miles for a one-way trip from ORD to HYD on Qatar via DOH. I found that the first segment ORD-DOH is available in biz class. DOH-HYD is not available in biz class, but coach seats are open. I also noticed that there is one seat available in biz class for DOH-HYD segment instead of 2.

Redeemable points per passenger is 67.5k, even though second segment is in coach. Now, should I book one passenger in biz class, while the other passenger travels one segment in biz and the other in coach? Or should I wait a couple of months?

Thanks!
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Hi all,

Could use some help. I am planning to book award travel for 2 adults using AA miles for a one-way trip from ORD to HYD on Qatar via DOH. I found that the first segment ORD-DOH is available in biz class. DOH-HYD is not available in biz class, but coach seats are open. I also noticed that there is one seat available in biz class for DOH-HYD segment instead of 2.

Redeemable points per passenger is 67.5k, even though second segment is in coach. Now, should I book one passenger in biz class, while the other passenger travels one segment in biz and the other in coach? Or should I wait a couple of months?

Thanks!
Is it acceptable for one person to sit in coach while the other is in business?

If yes, then make the reservation, and if another seat opens up (on those flights or another oneWorld flight for same origin/destination) it can be changed for free.

If no, then you either need to be prepared to pay a reinstatement fee if nothing else opens up (free for EXP), or wait to make the booking.
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Old Jun 12, 15, 2:09 am
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Award flights are not guaranteed. Book what you can now.
Many others are looking & booking awards
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Can someone please tell me the MPM for CMB-MEL? Im trying to work out of CMB-HKG-MEL would be a valid AA redemption (its a published revenue fare)
If it's a published fare you won't have to worry about MPM.

Finding MPM requires a subscription, but a rough and ready way to get a general idea is to take the base mileage (use great circle mapper, point to point) and multiply by 1.5.
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Old Jun 12, 15, 9:11 am
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If it's a published fare you won't have to worry about MPM.
Not true. I think what you might have meant is if it's a published fare that uses routing -rather- than MPM then no need to calculate the MPM.
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Is it acceptable for one person to sit in coach while the other is in business?

If yes, then make the reservation, and if another seat opens up (on those flights or another oneWorld flight for same origin/destination) it can be changed for free.

If no, then you either need to be prepared to pay a reinstatement fee if nothing else opens up (free for EXP), or wait to make the booking.
They might be OK traveling separately for the second leg, which is 4 hours journey. My concern is I may not be making good use of award miles paying 135k for 2 passengers and not finding biz seats for the second leg.

I called AA and they said they have to create a new record locator if I have one passenger in biz class all along, while the other in coach for the second leg.

Two options:
1. Book 2nd leg in coach for both passengers. Wait until seats open up. WOrst case, be ok to 'voluntarily downgrade' to coach with biz miles redeemed.

2. Book 1 in biz and the other in coach. At least one is in biz class and the other other in coach. When seat opens up in future, swell! If not , live with it.

AA agent suggested to wait it out and not choose option 2. I concurred. Do you agree as well? Or think option2 is the best? Thanks.
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I would not wait. I would book and lock in the seats, putting one passenger in coach for the shorter DOH-HYD flight. It's only 4 hours and it is not a big waste.

When doing international redemption, it is most important to lock down long-haul flights. You already done the hard part by finding the long-haul ORD-DOH in business class. I wouldn't let the short haul be a bottleneck. If you wait, you could lose the long-haul flight in business.

Also, AA allows free change on dates and routing between oneworld carriers. Keep monitoring availability and see if something better opens up, or if business becomes available on the shorter leg.
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My concern is I may not be making good use of award miles paying 135k for 2 passengers and not finding biz seats for the second leg.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda - you're getting two tickets for a loooooong trip on a great airline, the longest leg of which (by a factor of 3) will be in an excellent J product. You can drown your sorrows over the upcoming Y leg while at the QR biz lounge in DOH. Book them now!!!

And if AA devalues in a couple months you make out looking like a genius.
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I would not wait. I would book and lock in the seats, putting one passenger in coach for the shorter DOH-HYD flight. It's only 4 hours and it is not a big waste.

When doing international redemption, it is most important to lock down long-haul flights. You already done the hard part by finding the long-haul ORD-DOH in business class. I wouldn't let the short haul be a bottleneck. If you wait, you could lose the long-haul flight in business.

Also, AA allows free change on dates and routing between oneworld carriers. Keep monitoring availability and see if something better opens up, or if business becomes available on the shorter leg.
Originally Posted by arlflyer View Post
Coulda, woulda, shoulda - you're getting two tickets for a loooooong trip on a great airline, the longest leg of which (by a factor of 3) will be in an excellent J product. You can drown your sorrows over the upcoming Y leg while at the QR biz lounge in DOH. Book them now!!!

And if AA devalues in a couple months you make out looking like a genius.
Thank you for the suggestions. I called back and reserved 1 passenger on business class throughout and the other in coach for the 2nd leg. I requested for courtesy hold and haven't confirmed the tickets yet.

The passengers here are my parents. It is supposed to be a surprise for them. I already booked J in EY for Sep departure. But plans changed, and the new date is in Oct. Now it looks like I have to lose EY J tickets for both in Sep and update it with QR tickets; J for one and Y for the other.

I seriously hope if seats become available in next 4 months. Is there a waiting list option so that passengers get upgraded to J as soon as there is availability in J? I heard United has this option. Thoughts?
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