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WIDEBODY AIRCRAFT FLEET (Jan 2019)

Boeing (Legacy AA)
- 17 763 / 767-300ER: 2-class: J28 Thompson Vantage, Y181 (21 MCE); no PEY ever
- 19 772 / 777-200ER 2 Class: J37 Zodiac, W24, Y212 (66 MCE)
- 28 772 / 777-200ER 2 Class: J37 Super Diamond, W24, Y212 (66 MCE)

- 20 77W / 777-300ER:3-class: F8, J52 Zodiac Cirrus, W28, Y216 (28 MCE)
- 20 778 / 787-8 2 Class: J28 Zodiac, W being installed, Y198 (57 MCE), 22 on order
- 22 789 / 787-9 2 Class: J30 Super Diamond, W21, Y234 (36 MCE), 25 on order

Airbus (Legacy US)
- 15 332 / A330-200 2 Class: J20 Envoy, W21 Y206 (54 MCE)
- 9 333 / A330-300 2-class: J28 Envoy, Y263 (16 MCE)
- 0 350 / A350: Order cancelled

NON-WIDEBODY 757 longhaul
-10 752 domestic: J12, Y176 (xx MCE)
-24 75L international: J16, Y160 (yy MCE)


For widebody aircraft routes and schedules, please consult the AA cargo site: link

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Old Jan 14, 14, 10:42 pm
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Post AA widebody / international aircraft on domestic routes [Master Thread]

Having to learn the nuances of another airline sure is time consuming! I'm volunteering to take up the small project of listing out which regularly scheduled routes/flights AA and US operate their widebodies on. I know most of the AA routes, but could sure use some crowdsourced help on the US heavies and completing the AA list.

I'll update this first post as your replies come in. Mods, please change the title if you implicitly approve, or just zap the whole thing if it's already been done.

Thanks.

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So far as I know, US does not have regularly-scheduled widebody service. They just move some of the TATL birds onto popular domestic routes during the off-season, but not in any sort of way I've ever seen predicted (and those can get downgauged in a hurry if they need one of those planes due to MX with the ones flying international).
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Originally Posted by LAXative View Post
Having to learn the nuances of another airline sure is time consuming! I'm volunteering to take up the small project of listing out which regularly scheduled routes/flights AA and US operate their widebodies on. I know most of the AA routes, but could sure use some crowdsourced help on the US heavies and completing the AA list.

I'll update this first post as your replies come in. Mods, please change the title if you implicitly approve, or just zap the whole thing if it's already been done.

Thanks.

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Aircraft reference - AA
- 762: 3-class (10F/30J/104Y)
- 763: 2-class (30J/195Y)
- 772: 3-class (16F/37J/194Y), but sometimes sold as 2-class on domestic routes (J cabin becomes preferred seats).
- 77W: 3-class (8F/52J/30MCE/220Y), currently scheduled only for int'l routes.
- 789: TBA

Aircraft reference - US
- 332: 2-class (20J/232Y)
- 333: 2-class (28J/263Y)
- 359: TBA
- 762: 2-class (18J/186Y)

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Updated 1/14/14

DFW-LAX
- AA2413 | 763
- AA2423 | 772 (sold as 2-class)
- AA2447 | 763

DFW-SFO
- AA1677 | 763

JFK-LAX
- AA33/3/117/21/185 | 762
(*Not AA1/133/181, operated by 32B)

JFK-MIA
- AA2351 | 762(?)

JFK-SFO
- AA59 | 763
- AA179 | 762
- AA85 | 762
- AA177 | 763

LAX-DFW
- AA2426 | 763
- AA2430 | 763
- AA2452 | 772 (sold as 2-class)

LAX-JFK
- AA34/2/4/180/30 | 762
(*Not AA118/32/10, operated by 32B)

LAX-MIA
- AA1488 | 772 (sold as 3-class)
- AA252 | 772 (sold as 3-class)

MIA-JFK
- AA1280 | 762(?)

MIA-LAX
- AA295 | 772 (sold as 3-class)
- AA299 | 772 (sold as 3-class)
- AA281 | 763

MIA-SFO
- AA167 | 763

SFO-DFW
- AA1677 | 763

SFO-JFK
- AA24 | 763
- AA16 | 763
- AA20 | 762
- AA18 | 762

SFO-MIA
- AA931 | 763
JFK MIA 2351 is a 763. Took it last week. Thanks for this reference.
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Originally Posted by ubernostrum View Post
So far as I know, US does not have regularly-scheduled widebody service. They just move some of the TATL birds onto popular domestic routes during the off-season, but not in any sort of way I've ever seen predicted (and those can get downgauged in a hurry if they need one of those planes due to MX with the ones flying international).
This^

Historically, the closest thing US has had to regularly scheduled domestic widebody service is probably PHL-SJU-PHL with nearly daily service using a spare A330. That route with a morning departure from PHL allows the plane to be back to PHL in case it's needed for a TATL flight.

This may well change in the future since US is getting more widebodies (A332) than adding announced TATL routes.

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Originally Posted by ubernostrum View Post
So far as I know, US does not have regularly-scheduled widebody service. They just move some of the TATL birds onto popular domestic routes during the off-season, but not in any sort of way I've ever seen predicted (and those can get downgauged in a hurry if they need one of those planes due to MX with the ones flying international).
US does, but they're all hub-hub flights and usually flights from CLT to PHL.
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US does, but they're all hub-hub flights and usually flights from CLT to PHL.
Thanks for adding CLT<>PHL. I had forgotten what is really a maintenance positioning flight that has tickets for sale.

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AA 167 MIA-SFO is a 763.
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IIRC the early morning MIA/DFW is a 763 unless that has changed recently. MIA/JFK 7AM departure is a 763 with a 763 returning to MIA at 530PM. The 730AMish JFK/MIA was a 762 but not sure if that has gone to a 757.
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Hawaii is still domestic....

All on 763s...

DFW - HNL
DFW - OGG
ORD - HNL (seasonal)
LAX - HNL (seasonal)
LAX - OGG (seasonal)
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Old Jan 15, 14, 9:26 pm
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Thanks for all the feedback! I've incorporated all the suggested changes to the AA schedule. Totally looked past Hawaii (d'oh) but somehow managed to consider the JFK-SJU flight (once widebody but no longer).

Disappointing that US doesn't rotate widebodies through the system regularly.

I remember JFK-MIA was a 762 as well, but that was a while ago.
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On JFK-SFO, you have AA 85 and AA 177 backwards. AA 85 is the 763 and AA 177 is the 762.
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Thanks for adding CLT<>PHL. I had forgotten what is really a maintenance positioning flight that has tickets for sale.

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That's the most reliable one. Though there may be some days of the year that are all narrowbody, at least one 767 is pretty reliable every day, and sometimes more than one and an A332 or two. They can rotate A333s into CLT for maintenance through places like LHR, CDG or FRA, which are served from PHL and CLT with that type depending on the time of year (sometimes these go partially or all A332 or 767, especially from CLT). PHL-SJU gets them but they do sometimes go all narrowbody to SJU, especially during the low (hurricane) season.

Widebodies have recently appearing on PHL/CLT-MCO/STT and CLT-BOS/PHX more frequently as more A332s have been delivered and 767 retirements have been delayed at least temporarily, though they're seasonal and always more likely during the transatlantic low season (now).
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Originally Posted by LAXative View Post
Disappointing that US doesn't rotate widebodies through the system regularly.
US doesn't have a domestic configuration for widebodies, and since the mid to late 1990s has focused their use on European destinations. As more maintenance is done on them in CLT than PHL, they generally do rotate them through on PHL-CLT routings, or via a European city (e.g., if PHL-LHR and CLT-LHR are currently both seeing A330-300s, they can route them PHL-LHR-CLT for instance). For instance, for perhaps 12 straight Sundays last summer, I took a late afternoon 767 that reliably operated BRU-PHL then continued to CLT, where it then either was rather quickly towed to a hangar or later operated CLT-GIG as a late evening departure.

We'll continue to see more domestic and/or near Caribbean 767/A330 routings as the US side of the house takes more A330-200s, notably to places like CUN, MCO, SJU, PUJ, and STT, and newly on CLT-BOS and PHX.
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Disappointing that US doesn't rotate widebodies through the system regularly.
Historically US hasn't had the spare widebodies to do that during the high travel to Europe season except for relatively short routes that have the spares back in time for TATL departures if needed. It happened more in the off season when seasonal flights didn't operate and before/after individual widebodies had finished the annual heavier maintenance checks. And with only 767s and A333s in the fleet there were only two spares per day during high season. With the A332s still coming you may see more widebodies on domestic routes.

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Man, good info, thanks all. US is such a different airline. I'm going to have to learn to read the tea leaves better, especially with the 50% bonus for flying on US.

I suppose my list is complete then... all the REGULARLY scheduled domestic widebodies flights in the combined AA/US have been listed (I think)
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