Jan 12, 2013, 8:10 pm
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All about the Boeing 777-323ER Business and First Class cabins and seats
Link to the Main Cabin and Main Cabin Extra seating thread.
Link to the Boeing 777 Seating Guide thread for the latest seat maps
All 8 First and 52 Business seats recline to horizontally flat, have full aisle access and are isolated from other seats; they offer folding flat screen AVOD with touchscreen monitor that offers on-demand entertainment with up to 250 movies, 160 TV shows, 13 radio channels, 375 albums and 20 games, 110 VAC international multiplug and 5 VDC USB power. Ku-Band Satellite Panasonic Wi-Fi is offered for sale. B&O noise cancelling headphones are available for use in flight (generally picked up an hour prior to arrival), and both cabins feature a walk-up bar stocked with snacks and refreshments.
First Class seating
Eight First Class Flagship suites by Safran (nee Zodiac Aerospace), though they are not as spacious a seat as the original 772 F suite, offer 82 / 208 cm of pitch and 36 width in a herringbone 1-2-1 configuration; they become a fully horizontal 6 8 bed with retractable arm rests extending the width; turndown service provides a mattress pad, pillow, duvet, amenity kit and pajamas. Seats swivel, diners in D-G First suites can dine face to face with privacy screen lowered. Each suite has two folding tables.
Link to Rocky Horan's review of 77W F seat and service on Travel Codex [Link does not work]
Link to Steve Case's review of 77W F seat and service on Travel Codex
There are a large folding flat 17" touch screen AVOD, two 110 VAC international multiplug and 5 VDC USB power, RCA composite input (red, white and yellow) and a Panasonic eXport jack (see here). The seat controls are in an iPhone like touch controller.
Business class seats
All 52 business class seats offer aisle access and convert to fully horizontal flat beds and feature 75 pitch, 26 wide (at its widest point, so less in actuality) fully horizontal seats in a 1-2-1 "pod" configuration offer full AVOD through large flat folding screens and a Panasonic eX2 IFE system, retractable aisle arm rests. The seats move forward and aft to adjust distance fro service table, etc. The headset jack is behind a small stowage door at shoulder height that holds the B&O noise reducing headsets, personal light and air vent, 110 VAC and 5 VDC USB power, RCA composite input ( red, white and yellow) and a Panasonic export jack link), touch seat controls, AVOD corded hand controller. Some storage, including shoe stowage, is available. The center seat pairs do not provide close seating for couples.
Link to JPA Design Zodiac Aerospace Cirrus Business Class seat page.
Center Business seat (c/o The Points Guy) link to review
Service caveats: some crew variability, and some crews excessively noisy in the galleys. Applies in F, J including J minicabin.
Link to the Main Cabin and Main Cabin Extra seating thread.
Link to the Boeing 777 Seating Guide thread for the latest seat maps
All 8 First and 52 Business seats recline to horizontally flat, have full aisle access and are isolated from other seats; they offer folding flat screen AVOD with touchscreen monitor that offers on-demand entertainment with up to 250 movies, 160 TV shows, 13 radio channels, 375 albums and 20 games, 110 VAC international multiplug and 5 VDC USB power. Ku-Band Satellite Panasonic Wi-Fi is offered for sale. B&O noise cancelling headphones are available for use in flight (generally picked up an hour prior to arrival), and both cabins feature a walk-up bar stocked with snacks and refreshments.
First Class seating
Eight First Class Flagship suites by Safran (nee Zodiac Aerospace), though they are not as spacious a seat as the original 772 F suite, offer 82 / 208 cm of pitch and 36 width in a herringbone 1-2-1 configuration; they become a fully horizontal 6 8 bed with retractable arm rests extending the width; turndown service provides a mattress pad, pillow, duvet, amenity kit and pajamas. Seats swivel, diners in D-G First suites can dine face to face with privacy screen lowered. Each suite has two folding tables.
- A and D, and G and J are not aligned / are slightly offset (contrary to Seatguru and other seat charts).
- D and G pairs have a high privacy screen that can be raised / lowered.
- Note that 1D and G have no bins, so bin contention does occur
Link to Steve Case's review of 77W F seat and service on Travel Codex
There are a large folding flat 17" touch screen AVOD, two 110 VAC international multiplug and 5 VDC USB power, RCA composite input (red, white and yellow) and a Panasonic eXport jack (see here). The seat controls are in an iPhone like touch controller.
Business class seats
All 52 business class seats offer aisle access and convert to fully horizontal flat beds and feature 75 pitch, 26 wide (at its widest point, so less in actuality) fully horizontal seats in a 1-2-1 "pod" configuration offer full AVOD through large flat folding screens and a Panasonic eX2 IFE system, retractable aisle arm rests. The seats move forward and aft to adjust distance fro service table, etc. The headset jack is behind a small stowage door at shoulder height that holds the B&O noise reducing headsets, personal light and air vent, 110 VAC and 5 VDC USB power, RCA composite input ( red, white and yellow) and a Panasonic export jack link), touch seat controls, AVOD corded hand controller. Some storage, including shoe stowage, is available. The center seat pairs do not provide close seating for couples.
Link to JPA Design Zodiac Aerospace Cirrus Business Class seat page.
- 3A-J people like privacy, only single window
- 4A-4J too noisy (galley and lav close) for some
- rows 3 and 4 have reports of being somewhat ignored by J cabin crew
- Row 5 has only single window, close to galley and lavs / noisy
- Row 7 one window, 7A overhead stowage taken by O2 equipment
- Row 11 has no windows
- Row 12 is at the wing root; 13-15 downward views impaired by the wing
- Row 15 is positioned directly in front of the Economy lavs
Center Business seat (c/o The Points Guy) link to review
Service caveats: some crew variability, and some crews excessively noisy in the galleys. Applies in F, J including J minicabin.
AA 77W / 777-300ER / 773 Business & First Class / F & J seat (master thread)
Feb 15, 2014, 4:12 pm
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Feb 15, 2014, 6:59 pm
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Let's make a new rule: if you have not personally sat in a seat you cannot make comments on it. This will prevent the constant spread of inaccurate information.
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Feb 15, 2014, 7:31 pm
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You won't find too many folks who feel as strongly about that as me. 
That said (but again, still strongly agreeing with ya!) funny thing is when sometime misinformation comes from the airline itself.
Like here:
http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/features/ame...widebody-fleet
The new 772 J-seat will have about 14 sq. ft of living space per, the current 777 J-seat is about 11.5 sq. ft per. So, yeah-- 14 -is- "up to two times" 11.5, but... probably not the best way to describe it! 
That said (but again, still strongly agreeing with ya!) funny thing is when sometime misinformation comes from the airline itself.
Like here:
http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/features/ame...widebody-fleet
[772 new J-seat] Up to 45 new fully lie-flat Business Class seats will provide customers among the largest living spaces of any 777 Business Class seat offered by U.S. airlines. The new seat will be an industry leader giving travelers up to two times more living space than American's current 777-200ER Business Class seat
Feb 15, 2014, 10:35 pm
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But I think it's fair to say that the experience in the 77W J seat is much closer to that of the 772 F seat than it is to the 772 J seat.
Feb 15, 2014, 11:48 pm
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Seriously......thanks for setting things straight......where do people get this stuff from? J on 773 same as first as 772?
Let's make a new rule: if you have not personally sat in a seat you cannot make comments on it. This will prevent the constant spread of inaccurate information.
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Let's make a new rule: if you have not personally sat in a seat you cannot make comments on it. This will prevent the constant spread of inaccurate information.
Cheers,
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Feb 15, 2014, 11:53 pm
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It may be perception but the AA 77W/CX/BR J seat certainly seems very close in space to some of the BA F seats - notable first two rows in the 744s and the center seats. While it is probably a bit of perception with BA New F reducing the size of the side tray it probably makes it seem closer to the J seats I mentioned.
For sure though, the 1x2x1 set-up certainly makes a huge difference and closes the gap considerably.
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Feb 16, 2014, 12:39 am
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That they (BA F and Cirrus business class seat used by AA and CX) are both herringbone type angled layouts makes them feel similar to some, but the BA F seat has much more personal space the Cirrus J seat.
For sure though, the 1x2x1 set-up certainly makes a huge difference and closes the gap considerably.
For sure though, the 1x2x1 set-up certainly makes a huge difference and closes the gap considerably.
Feb 16, 2014, 12:44 am
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Could very easily be, not using the angle to create extra bed-length and probably have less effective pitch, now that you mention it.
Feb 16, 2014, 1:46 pm
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It may be perception but the AA 77W/CX/BR J seat certainly seems very close in space to some of the BA F seats - notable first two rows in the 744s and the center seats. While it is probably a bit of perception with BA New F reducing the size of the side tray it probably makes it seem closer to the J seats I mentioned.
As far as space measurements go, the major factor for me is whether I have enough space for myself and whatever stuff I want around me, which the new AA J seats have (for me, anyway). Beyond that, extra space brings diminishing returns. A small, but well-designed bunk area in a sailboat can feel more comfortable than a king-size bed in a large hotel room that has no convenient storage areas nearby.
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Haven't experienced AA F seats myself, but on UA the big psychological difference is privacy (when traveling alone, that is not necessarily what you want when you're with someone else). UA J, just like old AA J, felt like I was out in public, but F felt more like I was in my own private area. The new AA J feels even more private than UA F, although the total space is clearly smaller. In fact it feels more private than even the LH F seat that includes a full bed next to it because the LH seat is completely open to the aisle, while AA J uses both a partition and its angle to block the view of there passengers.
As far as space measurements go, the major factor for me is whether I have enough space for myself and whatever stuff I want around me, which the new AA J seats have (for me, anyway). Beyond that, extra space brings diminishing returns. A small, but well-designed bunk area in a sailboat can feel more comfortable than a king-size bed in a large hotel room that has no convenient storage areas nearby.
As far as space measurements go, the major factor for me is whether I have enough space for myself and whatever stuff I want around me, which the new AA J seats have (for me, anyway). Beyond that, extra space brings diminishing returns. A small, but well-designed bunk area in a sailboat can feel more comfortable than a king-size bed in a large hotel room that has no convenient storage areas nearby.
The irony is the launch customer was US Airways.
The PMCO BF seats are fine IMO; the PMUA seats are probably the worst fully flat/horizontal seat on the market - whereas BA scrunches 2x4x2 with quite a bit of privacy, UA is like sitting on a subway bench looking at the people on the other side.
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I'm a big fan of the reverse herring bone both for privacy and usable space for my stuff.
The irony is the launch customer was US Airways.
The PMCO BF seats are fine IMO; the PMUA seats are probably the worst fully flat/horizontal seat on the market - whereas BA scrunches 2x4x2 with quite a bit of privacy, UA is like sitting on a subway bench looking at the people on the other side.
The irony is the launch customer was US Airways.
The PMCO BF seats are fine IMO; the PMUA seats are probably the worst fully flat/horizontal seat on the market - whereas BA scrunches 2x4x2 with quite a bit of privacy, UA is like sitting on a subway bench looking at the people on the other side.
Feb 16, 2014, 2:33 pm
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The BA 77W J cabin is a dorm ...
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I'm a big fan of the reverse herring bone both for privacy and usable space for my stuff.
The irony is the launch customer was US Airways.
The PMCO BF seats are fine IMO; the PMUA seats are probably the worst fully flat/horizontal seat on the market - whereas BA scrunches 2x4x2 with quite a bit of privacy, UA is like sitting on a subway bench looking at the people on the other side.
The irony is the launch customer was US Airways.
The PMCO BF seats are fine IMO; the PMUA seats are probably the worst fully flat/horizontal seat on the market - whereas BA scrunches 2x4x2 with quite a bit of privacy, UA is like sitting on a subway bench looking at the people on the other side.
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I've only flown BA CW once, but I distinctly remember some passengers having to climb over other passengers' feet to get to the aisle. Not what I would call "aisle access" exactly.