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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 6:22 pm
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Elite Qualifying Miles on LAN (codeshare on Aeromexico)

So that I could get EXP by December, I recently booked a roundtrip flight from LAX to SCL via MEX. LAX to MEX and MEX to LAX are on AA flight numbers operated by Aeromexico. I know I get EQMs on those flights.

I'm concerned about my LAN flights from MEX to SCL and back. They're LAN flight numbers but operated by Aeromexico. Do I get AAdvantage EQMs for those flights? If not, then i'll need to cancel my itinerary.

Thanks a lot for your help!
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 6:46 pm
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i have got the aa mi's on lan coded flights using my aa #.....however, i would read the aadvantage section on aa.com carefully.....good luck...
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 6:52 pm
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Originally Posted by clacko
i have got the aa mi's on lan coded flights using my aa #.....however, i would read the aadvantage section on aa.com carefully.....good luck...
Unfortunately aa.com isn't very helpful in this instance.

https://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do...rlines/lan.jsp

All it says is "Flight mileage may not accrue on flights operated by carriers other than oneworld carriers."

Not exactly the definitive answer the OP needs and not one I can shed light on either I'm afraid.
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 7:00 pm
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aa.com is plenty clear on this.

Flight mileage may not accrue on flights operated by carriers other than oneworld carriers.

No flight mileage accrual = no EQMs = no AA challenge qualification.
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 7:36 pm
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Does that may mean, "they might or might not," or does that may mean, "they are not allowed to?"
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 7:38 pm
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It is not likely at all you will earn AA miles for LAN codeshares operated by Aeroméxico (any more than you might earn AA miles on an Iberia codeshare operated by SN.) I think you need to cancel / change your itinerary, but of course, you could call AAdvantage and ask. And, on occasion, one of us or another might luck out - but I'd not count on it, nor would I believe an exception will become the rule.

Originally Posted by shawn2ca
So that I could get EXP by December, I recently booked a roundtrip flight from LAX to SCL via MEX. LAX to MEX and MEX to LAX are on AA flight numbers operated by Aeromexico. I know I get EQMs on those flights.

I'm concerned about my LAN flights from MEX to SCL and back. They're LAN flight numbers but operated by Aeromexico. Do I get AAdvantage EQMs for those flights? If not, then i'll need to cancel my itinerary.

Thanks a lot for your help!
Shawn

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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 8:03 pm
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Originally Posted by cparekh
Does that may mean, "they might or might not," or does that may mean, "they are not allowed to?"
Exactly! It's not clear! "Flight mileage will not accrue" would be unambiguous. Up until today I had never interpreted this in the same way as 3Cforme
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 8:11 pm
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Originally Posted by britenbsas
Exactly! It's not clear! "Flight mileage will not accrue" would be unambiguous. Up until today I had never interpreted this in the same way as 3Cforme
Sorry to disagree with you. It is plenty clear. No miles. Also, if you apply common sense, why would you get AA miles on a competing, non-allianced airline?

"You may not kiss my wife" Do you really think that is not clear and you actually might get to kiss my wife????
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Deltahater
Sorry to disagree with you. It is plenty clear. No miles. Also, if you apply common sense, why would you get AA miles on a competing, non-allianced airline?

"You may not kiss my wife" Do you really think that is not clear and you actually might get to kiss my wife????
No need to apologise for disagreeing

In your example you are using the imperative form which is crystal clear (I may not kiss your wife). In the AA example, it's not. How about "The band may not play on Saturday as the lead singer is ill". There may or may not be a gig going ahead but it certainly doesn't mean "The band are prohibited from playing on Saturday"!!

We agree on the common sense bit!
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 12:09 am
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Originally Posted by Deltahater
Sorry to disagree with you. It is plenty clear. No miles. Also, if you apply common sense, why would you get AA miles on a competing, non-allianced airline?
Common sense and code-sharing do not belong in the same sentence...

As another example of "plenty clear", from the aa.com section on mileage accrual on Finnair:

"Flight mileage may not accrue on flights operated by carriers other than oneworld carriers. Only regularly scheduled Finnair flights (flight series AY001-AY1000, AY3000-AY7000) are eligible for mileage accrual."

Some AY6xxx flights are code-shares operated by Aeroflot. Do they earn miles or not?
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 6:11 am
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
aa.com is plenty clear on this.

Flight mileage may not accrue on flights operated by carriers other than oneworld carriers.

No flight mileage accrual = no EQMs = no AA challenge qualification.
Afraid I fall in the camp of finding this AA.com statement in fact quite unclear and I always find these statements frustrating when plotting trips requiring codeshare flights (particularly Fiji)

A sentence that reads as above (...may not accrue...) seems to leave me with several options, all ambiguous. It could mean that I may receive mileage accrual on non-oneworld carrier A, but not on non-oneworld carrier B. Or even more frustrating, I may recieve mileage accrual on non-oneworld carrier A on one occasion, but not on another occasion. The sentence implies that the whole system is luck and happenstance.

Now of course flying today is perhaps a bit of "luck and happenstance," I know! But this area should not be luck or happenstance. Mileage accrual rules are of course coded into the IT/computer systems of the various airlines. They are not "fuzzy" rules, that's not how computers work. For any possible combination of airlines your flying (i.e. AA, Oneworld, non-oneworld, etc.) those systems look at their rules and choose to credit or not credit, but make no mistake, it's not random (now I'll grant that computers make mistakes, I get that; meaning someone not supposed to receive mileage does in fact get mileage. But a computer screw-up does NOT mean a set of objective rules doesn't in fact exist)

However, the various carriers, and in our specific case, AA seem to choose not to simply clearly state what the rules are for each specific carrier; one-world, or a oneworld partner that isn't themselves oneworld will do.

To me, to make the AA.com sentence above unambigious would actually be quite simple and I have no idea why they don't do it. They could mearly reword it to state:

"Flight mileage will not accrue on flights operated by carriers other than oneworld carriers."

Then if someone still books said flight and the computer gods smile upon you and credit with mileage, well your pleasantly suprised as you were not expecting it.

Just my two cents.

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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 7:44 am
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Bula! Indeed, they should merely reword as you suggest.

Flying LAX-NAN FJ as FJ, redeemable AA miles; flying FJ as AA codeshare, AA EQM/EQP; flying FJ as QF, nada. But reading the "may" on AA, one is free to choose the permissive or imperative definition (and wind up mile-less.)

Originally Posted by scubadu
<snip> They could mearly reword it to state:

"Flight mileage will not accrue on flights operated by carriers other than oneworld carriers."

Then if someone still books said flight and the computer gods smile upon you and credit with mileage, well your pleasantly suprised as you were not expecting it.

Just my two cents.

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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 8:35 am
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My experience on LAN numbered flights on another carrier, TAM, was that LAN would put my AAdvantage number in the record, (first part of itinerary was on LAN, second part on LAN codeshared flight operated by TAM), but no miles were accrued.
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 7:38 am
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Can I get AA miles for this flight?

We are flying Lan Peru #5396 (code share on Aeromexico metal) from LIM-MEX this week. Can we credit this segemnt to AA? We are booked in Q class. I know that Aeromexico partners with DL, but would rather credit the miles to AA because I think DL only gives 25% for Q class from LIM-MEX. Could anybody please confirm? Thanks very much.
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 7:55 am
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as long as you are flying on a LAN flight number you should be ok, even if on aeromexico metal, since LAN is part of one world.

As per aa.com, Q class intl fares within South America only get 25% of miles and 0.50 EQPs so I believe no different to DL (unless you are trying to qualify through points):
https://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/p...rlines/lan.jsp
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