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Hang on to your wallets - $50 co-pay increase for mileage upgrades, effective Oct 1st

Hang on to your wallets - $50 co-pay increase for mileage upgrades, effective Oct 1st

 
Old Aug 6, 08, 11:15 am
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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
I didn't know EXP status existed 20 years ago

me thinks someone was pulling your chain


Perhaps she was exaggerating. But even so, she might have been "Top Platinum," the invitation-only predecessor to EXP.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 11:28 am
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Will this $50 fee be in addition to the "award fees" for upgrading with miles less than 21 or 7 days before departure? Those fees have always seemed particularly unfair, especially if you are buying a more expensive ticket closer to departure, or if the upgraded seats weren't available until the 21- or 7-day window had passed.

Is there any info on which "discount economy fares" they are referring to when it comes to domestic travel?

http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...ardChanges.jsp
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Old Aug 6, 08, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by twoaisleplane View Post
Will this $50 fee be in addition to the "award fees" for upgrading with miles less than 21 or 7 days before departure?
This fee is in addition to any expedite fees.

Originally Posted by twoaisleplane View Post
Those fees have always seemed particularly unfair, especially if you are buying a more expensive ticket closer to departure, or if the upgraded seats weren't available until the 21- or 7-day window had passed.
The expedite fee is charged based on the date of the request, not processing, so if you place yourself on the waitlist for a mileage upgrade 1 month before flight time and it doesn't clear until the day before, then you shouldn't be charged the expedite fee.

Originally Posted by twoaisleplane View Post
Is there any info on which "discount economy fares" they are referring to when it comes to domestic travel?
Pretty much everything except Y and B.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 1:09 pm
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IMO, the 15k one way domestic upgrade is (was) by far the most effective use of FF miles, and it is available even if one is not an elite.

Now to AA for beginning dilution.

However, this change will probably result in fewer mileage upgrades, leaving more seats for other elite upgrade methods, thereby obtaining mostly ^ from FT posters.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Daze View Post
IMO, the 15k one way domestic upgrade is (was) by far the most effective use of FF miles, and it is available even if one is not an elite.

Now to AA for beginning dilution.

However, this change will probably result in fewer mileage upgrades, leaving more seats for other elite upgrade methods, thereby obtaining mostly ^ from FT posters.
OTOH 1-way TATL/TPAC upgrade is a pretty good use of FF miles, even after spending $300 ($350 as of 1Oct08) for <EXP. Really nice to get a decent chance at some shut-eye while flying east.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Daze View Post
IMO, the 15k one way domestic upgrade is (was) by far the most effective use of FF miles, and it is available even if one is not an elite.

More than a cheap Y to J international upgrade? More than a free F or J international ticket?!
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Old Aug 6, 08, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Keith Flyer Maven View Post
More than a cheap Y to J international upgrade? More than a free F or J international ticket?!
It depends on the routing:

LAX to JFK: 2475 miles, 5 hrs 30 min. hours, 15K miles + 50.00 copay

BOS to LHR: 3265 miles, 6 hrs. 30 min., 25K miles + 350.00 copay

In comparison, it makes the transcon seem like quite a deal to me.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by benzguy80 View Post
OTOH 1-way TATL/TPAC upgrade is a pretty good use of FF miles, even after spending $300 ($350 as of 1Oct08) for <EXP. Really nice to get a decent chance at some shut-eye while flying east.
50k miles at standard valuation of 2 cents/mile would be $1k.

Add $700 in co-pay, and you're looking at about a $2,300 ticket if the base was ~$600, not that unusual for high traffic routes like JFK-LHR.

That's not far from just buying the business class ticket.

Mileage upgrades make more sense if you're coming from the west coast, but less if you're flying to a city served by partner airlines since the final leg won't be upgradeable.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Daze View Post
IMO, the 15k one way domestic upgrade is (was) by far the most effective use of FF miles, and it is available even if one is not an elite.

Now to AA for beginning dilution.

However, this change will probably result in fewer mileage upgrades, leaving more seats for other elite upgrade methods, thereby obtaining mostly ^ from FT posters.
Originally Posted by bdemaria View Post
It depends on the routing:

LAX to JFK: 2475 miles, 5 hrs 30 min. hours, 15K miles + 50.00 copay

BOS to LHR: 3265 miles, 6 hrs. 30 min., 25K miles + 350.00 copay

In comparison, it makes the transcon seem like quite a deal to me.
Yes, but you've picked one of the shortest TATL's to compare to a transcon. Perhaps this was intentional or even the point of the reply?

Flying to continental Europe (CDG, BRU, MAD) from pts other than NYC/BOS involves much more flying, and IMHO is therefore a better use of miles converting to upgrades. Of course the value increases with the longer flights TPAC.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by benzguy80 View Post
Yes, but you've picked one of the shortest TATL's to compare to a transcon. Perhaps this was intentional or even the point of the reply?

Flying to continental Europe (CDG, BRU, MAD) from pts other than NYC/BOS involves much more flying, and IMHO is therefore a better use of miles converting to upgrades. Of course the value increases with the longer flights TPAC.
Not much of a difference from further east. ORD-CDG is $3k in business class, and ~$2,700 in combined miles/cash using 2 cent/mile valuation.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by benzguy80 View Post
Yes, but you've picked one of the shortest TATL's to compare to a transcon. Perhaps this was intentional or even the point of the reply?
Yes, this was intentional.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 3:33 pm
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Originally Posted by ESpen36 View Post
Perhaps she was exaggerating. But even so, she might have been "Top Platinum," the invitation-only predecessor to EXP.
Exaggeration, speculation and just making stuff up adds little here.

Executive Platinum, as we know it today, was introduced in 1998. I was asked to join invitation-only EXP in 1997. "Top Platinum" existed no more than two years prior to that.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Plato90s View Post
Not much of a difference from further east. ORD-CDG is $3k in business class, and ~$2,700 in combined miles/cash using 2 cent/mile valuation.
Good point, not to mention the 1.25xRDM vs. 1.0, and 1.5xEQM vs. 0.5 for buying the biz ticket ($35 for the RDM, and whatever you value the EQM at), plus whatever you value convenience / availability at, you just about break even.
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Old Aug 6, 08, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by twoaisleplane View Post

Is there any info on which "discount economy fares" they are referring to when it comes to domestic travel?
I would imagine all those discount fares which are upgradable
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Old Aug 6, 08, 4:54 pm
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AA wasted no time in updating the award chart.

http://www.aa.com/aa/pubcontent/en_U...#upgradeAwards
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