AMR-huge domestic fleet capacity reduction, $15 fee first checked bag... (consol)
May 21, 2008, 9:19 am
#91
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This is going to be an absolute mess for people going on cruises.
I have already seen and heard arguments at the check in lines at DFW! Plan for more time in those lines and a lot more yelling from unhappy passengers!
With oil prices what they are, this really had to happen.
I have already seen and heard arguments at the check in lines at DFW! Plan for more time in those lines and a lot more yelling from unhappy passengers!
With oil prices what they are, this really had to happen.
May 21, 2008, 9:19 am
#92
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Why not just gate check bags... what, are they going to take your credit card and charge you there?
May 21, 2008, 9:19 am
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If re-regulation takes place, expect frequent flier programs to be degraded.
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May 21, 2008, 9:19 am
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Thank the speculators who are continuing to drive up oil prices and others who have driven the economy to where it's at.
May 21, 2008, 9:20 am
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Bingo! Anyone who thinks oil is going to drop back down to the $50/barrel range is seriously kidding themselves. Until Hydrogen or some other fuel is fully entrenched in the global market for ground vehicles, that is.
May 21, 2008, 9:21 am
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Summary of New Fees
Thread with link to a summary of new fees on another travel site:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826072
http://www.flyertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826072
May 21, 2008, 9:22 am
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May 21, 2008, 9:25 am
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Do bus services charge for bags these days? (just curious) I'm assuming they get hit by rising oil costs too. Have ticket prices shot up in that industry too?
May 21, 2008, 9:25 am
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May 21, 2008, 9:25 am
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Unfortunately just a few years ago being charged for the first checked bag would have been an labeled an absurd extremity. It's a slippery slope. And we're on it.
May 21, 2008, 9:26 am
#101
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I would like to hear Sluggo's perspective on this. As I understand it FA's don't start getting paid until the door is shut. So now they are expected to police the Group 5's and Group 6's that can't fit their bags into the overhead bin and to charge them and shepherd the bags to the tarmac and yada yada and we will still depart on time? 
May 21, 2008, 9:27 am
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Fee for ticketing by phone is now $20, at airport $30.
May 21, 2008, 9:29 am
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amr is raising fees; ryanair is flying you free
I fly aa so i'm putting this post here; it applies to any carrier.
I just went over to ryanair's web sight and noticed they are running a promo for june to lots of cities: free: no taxes-no fees-no charges (book by 5/22/08); they nickel and dime you on everyting (else)--the price of oil is still costly for them. How can they stay in business and run this promo?
[I was going to put this in the AMR thread which is now 5 (and counting
) pages long but info has a way of getting lost...]
I just went over to ryanair's web sight and noticed they are running a promo for june to lots of cities: free: no taxes-no fees-no charges (book by 5/22/08); they nickel and dime you on everyting (else)--the price of oil is still costly for them. How can they stay in business and run this promo?
[I was going to put this in the AMR thread which is now 5 (and counting
) pages long but info has a way of getting lost...]
May 21, 2008, 9:30 am
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May 21, 2008, 9:30 am
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What WN DOES have is a significant hedging program. Each quarter, their hedges extend further into the future. Generally, they cover the bulk of the fuel they're going to need for the period by the time they open up their schedule for that period. Their costs have been going up, just like everyone else. Their costs just haven't gone up as quickly because they've got a very effective hedging program.
The upshot is that WN knows nearly exactly what each seat it sells will cost, fuel and all, and then prices accordingly in a simple and transparent way. That's why you don't see nearly as many $29 fares. PHL-RDU, for example, used to be $29-79 each way, depending on which fare you bought. Now it's $59-129. Why? WN's costs have gone up and in turn so have the fares.
To argue that WN's "magic beans" (fuel hedges) will magically disappear one day is laughable. They won't always be at as low a price as they once were, but they will continue to extend.
.... and WN can then continue to avoid selling $1 for 75 cents.