AMR-huge domestic fleet capacity reduction, $15 fee first checked bag... (consol)
May 21, 2008, 8:35 am
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Count me as one who's not affected by the pricing of this policy change, but we'll all be impacted by the increase in the amount of carry-on bags. For those elites who ever happen to visit a baggage claim 
think about the number of small bags that come down the belt. We'll start seeing many of these on the plane as opposed to under them.
I can certainly appreciate the dilemma AA and all airlines find themselves in with the high cost of fuel. What I don't get is the way this baggage issue is approached. It doesn't cost AA any more in fuel (in labor, probably yes) to carry a bag in cargo than it does in the overhead. Why not start charging by weight, no matter where the bag is? First 30lbs free, for example, and escalating charges after that. That would not only encourage people to carry less, which would save fuel, but would also not incent passengers to carry on the kitchen sink.
think about the number of small bags that come down the belt. We'll start seeing many of these on the plane as opposed to under them.I can certainly appreciate the dilemma AA and all airlines find themselves in with the high cost of fuel. What I don't get is the way this baggage issue is approached. It doesn't cost AA any more in fuel (in labor, probably yes) to carry a bag in cargo than it does in the overhead. Why not start charging by weight, no matter where the bag is? First 30lbs free, for example, and escalating charges after that. That would not only encourage people to carry less, which would save fuel, but would also not incent passengers to carry on the kitchen sink.
Just add $15 to the ticket costs for everyone.....come on, stop charging fees like this it makes a full service carrier look stupid.
May 21, 2008, 8:37 am
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May 21, 2008, 8:37 am
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I hope the "first checked bag fee" means tougher enforcement of hand luggage rules. Considering what some people already drag on the plane as "hand luggage" this new rule will be madness.
May 21, 2008, 8:38 am
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Their streak will likely end at some point though.
May 21, 2008, 8:40 am
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to think southwest started this by charging for the third bag. they must be laughing as the legacies begin to push price conscious travelers into their arms. the airlines are not the only ones affected by todays economic situation and as they start charging more those, both individuals and businesses, will start looking at their costs and imho southwest stands to come out seriously on top.
anybody know what percentage of aa's routes overlap with wn.
anybody know what percentage of aa's routes overlap with wn.
May 21, 2008, 8:42 am
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exactly, it still costs the same in either case just people will start trying to carry on the normal rollaboard + their expandable gym bag as a 'personal item'
Just add $15 to the ticket costs for everyone.....come on, stop charging fees like this it makes a full service carrier look stupid.
Just add $15 to the ticket costs for everyone.....come on, stop charging fees like this it makes a full service carrier look stupid.
They reduced prices and stopped serving food in Y; those that want food can buy it. They eliminated drinks in Y on international flights; those that want a drink can buy one. They added a fee for the second bag; want to check two bags- pay for it. This is just the same philosophy. If I don't check a bag, why should I pay for yours (you, in the general sense
).Let's not try to make this appear any different than what it is. The airline industry in the US has become a pay-for-service proposition. It's not going to change. We can either accept it with a sigh or b$%@& and moan about it.
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May 21, 2008, 8:43 am
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I've always thought this was the direction it was all headed as well. You arrive at the ticket counter and everything goes on the scale (except yourself, that might be Phase II) and you are allowed a certain amount and you pay for overage. Domestic allowance would be less than international. It will have to be some kind of supervised process like the self-check-out at Wal-Mart. They won't be able to staff enough for airline personnel to do all the weighing/verifying, but they will have lurkers checking to make sure each person weighs all that they have with them.
May 21, 2008, 8:43 am
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My initial thoughts as well. The overhead compartments will only be more full now with non-elites trying to carry as much as they can onboard.
May 21, 2008, 8:44 am
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How would you implement that? Where would passengers pay -- at the aircraft door? After all, I can easily increase my carry-on weight after check-in (if that's where you want to weigh it) through airport purchases or simply by not showing the TA all my stuff.
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I heard the "$20 connection bag transfer convenience fee" is only charged when the luggage makes it onto your connection flight. That happens so rarely that we actually don't have to worry.
May 21, 2008, 8:47 am
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May 21, 2008, 8:48 am
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exactly, it still costs the same in either case just people will start trying to carry on the normal rollaboard + their expandable gym bag as a 'personal item'
Just add $15 to the ticket costs for everyone.....come on, stop charging fees like this it makes a full service carrier look stupid.
Just add $15 to the ticket costs for everyone.....come on, stop charging fees like this it makes a full service carrier look stupid.
This is Ryanair-style bullcrap. I would have expected it out of US or NW, maybe UA the way they're heading. Not AA.
(And, for that matter, not even WN. They don't make a habit of insulting their customers; you get what you pay for. And the capability to check a bag so you can take 3 days worth of clothes, a change of shoes, a full bottle of shampoo and a pocketknife to your destination damn well ought to be part of a $300 airfare.)
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Look at my personal item carryon everyone!
http://static.backcountry.com/images...E0027/CLRD.jpg
It even carrys my lAAptop!
http://www.lunchboxcomputers.com/images/LC5100Side.jpg
Actually I joke about this, but I have seen someone bringing two of these huge packs on and trying to stuff them in the overhead, only problem was they took the entire bin!
http://static.backcountry.com/images...E0027/CLRD.jpg
It even carrys my lAAptop!
http://www.lunchboxcomputers.com/images/LC5100Side.jpg
Actually I joke about this, but I have seen someone bringing two of these huge packs on and trying to stuff them in the overhead, only problem was they took the entire bin!