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ARCHIVE: AA and Partner Airline Award info, rules (NOT for oneworld Explorer Awards)
#211
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Reno, Nevada
Posts: 7,368
MSP-DFW/ORD-SNA (stopover)
SNA-DFW-ANC (destination)
ANC-YVR (one-way revenue ticket, with ANC-YVR as an open jaw)
YVR-DFW-MSP (return)
Mike
Last edited by nako; Feb 10, 2007 at 10:33 pm
#212
Join Date: May 2000
Location: WAS
Posts: 1,069
Open jaw AND stopover?
Hi,
I was wondering if I can do the following on an AA award:
DCA-BOS (stopover) BOS-SAN, SAN-BOS
Thanks for any help!
I was wondering if I can do the following on an AA award:
DCA-BOS (stopover) BOS-SAN, SAN-BOS
Thanks for any help!
#213
Join Date: Oct 2006
Programs: aadvantage plt
Posts: 123
If flying out of DFW to Belize City on an award, where are some options that a stopover can be made, besides Miami.
#215
Ambassador: World of Hyatt
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: UK - the nearest airport is named after a motorway !
Posts: 4,235
Have held following award flights for parents-in-law:
LHR-MIA(stopover <24hrs)-UVF-MIA(stopover)//FLL-DFW-LGW
I blissfully thought that would be fine, with the first MIA not being a stopover as it's less than 24hours, and the second MIA being my one allowed stopover.
Called today to ticket as PILs have hotel in St Lucia sorted, and the agent noted that they can't stopover in MIA on the way back as it's not the gateway city; reading this thread, I see that them's the rules.
There is no award availability on the direct MIA-LHR flights (which would then make MIA the gateway and make the stopover valid) - the agent was putting a request through to rev mgmt to see if they would free up a couple of seats.
anyone have any experience of this / what are my chances of the seats being made available ? (fyi, seatcounter is showing 7s across the board).
thanks
LHR-MIA(stopover <24hrs)-UVF-MIA(stopover)//FLL-DFW-LGW
I blissfully thought that would be fine, with the first MIA not being a stopover as it's less than 24hours, and the second MIA being my one allowed stopover.
Called today to ticket as PILs have hotel in St Lucia sorted, and the agent noted that they can't stopover in MIA on the way back as it's not the gateway city; reading this thread, I see that them's the rules.
There is no award availability on the direct MIA-LHR flights (which would then make MIA the gateway and make the stopover valid) - the agent was putting a request through to rev mgmt to see if they would free up a couple of seats.
anyone have any experience of this / what are my chances of the seats being made available ? (fyi, seatcounter is showing 7s across the board).
thanks
#216
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,130
RChavez...
Unfortunately LGA / EWR / JFK are NOT considered the same location (NYC) for routing (even though LGA/JFK are technically only a few miles away and when you are trying to find seats on award revenue both option may pop up on ticket options). That said once you have your e-ticket assigned you CAN"T change from LGA to JFK non=stop if it opens up... you could have before ticket was issued. I was warned about this before I had miles finally pulled and e-tickets issued for 4 seats going to Hawaii. Outbound we had no problems, return we had to break up the party... (at times only 3 seats were released into inventory -- this is during Xmas peak.. and thus AA was not having blackout dates but stingily releasing award seats... the 330 day release date wasn't working either.. a stressful week of constant calling for return). What we did do was have 3 of us returning from HNL (couldn't get LIH) with a connect through DFW to JFK. Decided DH who's platinum to go solo on a hop/skip/jump on earlier flight HNL/LAX/MIA/JFK (could have had a skip to LGA but chose not to). Did this hoping that eventually LAX-JFK seat might open up for DH prior to leaving (he's platinum, traveling w/o luggage and hopefully get on standby list prior to getting to gate). We'll all be overnighting at JFK prior to driving back home on New Years day. It really doesn't make sense about JFK/LGA being interchangeable for gateway... but them are the rules. BTW when I was diligently trying to get DH his seat for the same day I found the flights from LAX/MIA/JFK.. asking the computer it wasn't coming up as an option -- LAX/ORD/and then either LGA (leaving the possibility of fee or expense/inconvenience to JFK area) or a long layover to get to JFK (and ultimately getting in later than our flight.. resulting in a very long day and the possibility of DH getting stuck in ORD 'cause weather etc. since it would be an AE flight). Now he's got a 2 hr layover in LAX and then a quickie in MIA).. Hopefully we'll all be together in December but realize that it's the "price we pay" for using our miles... luckily it's the second year we're using these prime seats over Xmas.
Good luck
Carolyn
Unfortunately LGA / EWR / JFK are NOT considered the same location (NYC) for routing (even though LGA/JFK are technically only a few miles away and when you are trying to find seats on award revenue both option may pop up on ticket options). That said once you have your e-ticket assigned you CAN"T change from LGA to JFK non=stop if it opens up... you could have before ticket was issued. I was warned about this before I had miles finally pulled and e-tickets issued for 4 seats going to Hawaii. Outbound we had no problems, return we had to break up the party... (at times only 3 seats were released into inventory -- this is during Xmas peak.. and thus AA was not having blackout dates but stingily releasing award seats... the 330 day release date wasn't working either.. a stressful week of constant calling for return). What we did do was have 3 of us returning from HNL (couldn't get LIH) with a connect through DFW to JFK. Decided DH who's platinum to go solo on a hop/skip/jump on earlier flight HNL/LAX/MIA/JFK (could have had a skip to LGA but chose not to). Did this hoping that eventually LAX-JFK seat might open up for DH prior to leaving (he's platinum, traveling w/o luggage and hopefully get on standby list prior to getting to gate). We'll all be overnighting at JFK prior to driving back home on New Years day. It really doesn't make sense about JFK/LGA being interchangeable for gateway... but them are the rules. BTW when I was diligently trying to get DH his seat for the same day I found the flights from LAX/MIA/JFK.. asking the computer it wasn't coming up as an option -- LAX/ORD/and then either LGA (leaving the possibility of fee or expense/inconvenience to JFK area) or a long layover to get to JFK (and ultimately getting in later than our flight.. resulting in a very long day and the possibility of DH getting stuck in ORD 'cause weather etc. since it would be an AE flight). Now he's got a 2 hr layover in LAX and then a quickie in MIA).. Hopefully we'll all be together in December but realize that it's the "price we pay" for using our miles... luckily it's the second year we're using these prime seats over Xmas.
Good luck
Carolyn
#217
Ambassador: World of Hyatt
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: UK - the nearest airport is named after a motorway !
Posts: 4,235
Question for the group:
I have an all-partner award that has the following routing:
LGA-YYZ-MIA-EZE // EZE-SCL-MIA-MSY-LGA
When I booked it, the agent said that I would be able to change to the non-stop without penalty since I was just changing dates.
Well, the nonstop opened up JFK-EZE, but the second agent I spoke with said that because I'm changing airports, it would involve a $100 fee.
Question: Aren't co-terminals considered the same point for the All-partner award? If so, then techincally going LGA-EZE should be the same as going JFK-EZE, no?
I have an all-partner award that has the following routing:
LGA-YYZ-MIA-EZE // EZE-SCL-MIA-MSY-LGA
When I booked it, the agent said that I would be able to change to the non-stop without penalty since I was just changing dates.
Well, the nonstop opened up JFK-EZE, but the second agent I spoke with said that because I'm changing airports, it would involve a $100 fee.
Question: Aren't co-terminals considered the same point for the All-partner award? If so, then techincally going LGA-EZE should be the same as going JFK-EZE, no?
Anyone else with any insight on co-terminals not counting as 'the same place' for award purposes ?
#218
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,083
I currently have the following All Partner AAward
GRR-ORD-DFW [stopover]-SAL [end]
SAL-MIA [overnight] ORD-GRR
I wanted to change my overnight from MIA to ORD
SAL-MIA-ORD [overnight] GRR
AAgent told me that the overnight must occur at the gateway. However this is not a stopover, but a connection since I could not get to GRR the same day.
Thoughts?
GRR-ORD-DFW [stopover]-SAL [end]
SAL-MIA [overnight] ORD-GRR
I wanted to change my overnight from MIA to ORD
SAL-MIA-ORD [overnight] GRR
AAgent told me that the overnight must occur at the gateway. However this is not a stopover, but a connection since I could not get to GRR the same day.
Thoughts?
#219
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Phila, PA
Posts: 891
I have about 140k miles and would like to use them to go to SA. Can I fly from PHL>Santiago and then return a month later from Rio to Philly? I don't need other stopovers, just the time inbetween for a cruise. I couldn't get a good answer from the CS rep. I don't have any status on AA.
Thank you.
Jane in PHL
Thank you.
Jane in PHL
#220
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 2.18 miles east of 23R at MAN
Posts: 1,042
AA award travel on BA in Europe
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Last edited by Aleks; Mar 6, 2007 at 3:54 pm Reason: Not relevant anymore - have now booked flights for $ not miles
#221
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: SFO
Programs: AA EXP/4MM, UA GS, AS MVP GOLD 75K
Posts: 3,362
I have about 140k miles and would like to use them to go to SA. Can I fly from PHL>Santiago and then return a month later from Rio to Philly? I don't need other stopovers, just the time inbetween for a cruise. I couldn't get a good answer from the CS rep. I don't have any status on AA.
Thank you.
Jane in PHL
Thank you.
Jane in PHL
#222
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Verdi, NV, SFO & Olympic (aka Squaw )Valley.
Programs: Ikon Pass Full + AS Gold + Marriott Titanium + Hilton Gold. Recovering UA Plat. LT lounge AA+DL+UA
Posts: 3,823
So...as I read this I cannot book a stop-over award using AA miles with a AS segments. Is this correct?
#223
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Austin, TX -- AA Life Platinum; QF Life Silver; UA Silver
Posts: 5,462
Is the following possible on a Caribbean award?
AUS-DFW-MIA-NAS AA stopover/destination
NAS-GCM BA stopover/destination
GCM-MIA-DFW-AUS AA
AUS-DFW-MIA-NAS AA stopover/destination
NAS-GCM BA stopover/destination
GCM-MIA-DFW-AUS AA
#224
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 23,999
Another question. Is the following award legal:
Outbound: TPA-LGA(stopover)/JFK-LAX
Return: LAX-MIA-TPA
Thanks!
Outbound: TPA-LGA(stopover)/JFK-LAX
Return: LAX-MIA-TPA
Thanks!
#225
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: AA EXP, Starwood Plat
Posts: 305
Meaning of the term "Gateway"
Is your international "gateway" the first place your plane lands after an overwater flight, or does that city count as your gateway only if you stop over? For example, if you fly Air Tahiti from Los Angeles to Sydney, connecting in Papeete, does Papeete become your gateway no matter how brief the connection? Thanks.