AA award flight cancelled due to schedule change
Mar 3, 2014, 6:49 pm
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Well, someone who throws around that term so often in an accusatory way should readily know what the term means, IMO.
Mar 3, 2014, 8:13 pm
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I believe I have been quite consistent in telling you what I think it means. Why don't you tell me what you think it means and we'll see if we can reach some common ground?
Mar 3, 2014, 8:24 pm
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I apologize for my use of antiquated English idioms.
I use the phrase in the sense that i'm impressed with the cleverness of the position with respect to the redemption of miles - not that I think anyone is actually being tricked.
In the Oxford English Dictionary, sense 3c of "neat" is
"Of actions, etc.: involving special skill, accuracy, or precision; cleverly contrived or executed."
I use the phrase in the sense that i'm impressed with the cleverness of the position with respect to the redemption of miles - not that I think anyone is actually being tricked.
In the Oxford English Dictionary, sense 3c of "neat" is
"Of actions, etc.: involving special skill, accuracy, or precision; cleverly contrived or executed."
Mar 3, 2014, 9:00 pm
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How is not allowing the use of AA miles on AA-marketed codeshares "clever"?
Mar 3, 2014, 11:53 pm
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It appears to me that what is coming out of this thread is that the AA BA JBV is not necessarily to the consumers' advantage. Metal neutrality is being interpreted as a revenue maximization mechanism not an elevation of consumer value. Given that these arrangements are cross national barriers is there a need for better regulation of their activities? I know it is fashionable to be concerned only with stock prices but as a frequent flyer my interest in airlines stockholders' income is not very great though it would be good to move away from all the bankruptcies which have become the hallmark of US carriers.
Mar 4, 2014, 12:04 am
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It appears to me that what is coming out of this thread is that the AA BA JBV is not necessarily to the consumers' advantage. Metal neutrality is being interpreted as a revenue maximization mechanism not an elevation of consumer value. Given that these arrangements are cross national barriers is there a need for better regulation of their activities? I know it is fashionable to be concerned only with stock prices but as a frequent flyer my interest in airlines stockholders' income is not very great though it would be good to move away from all the bankruptcies which have become the hallmark of US carriers.
Mar 4, 2014, 12:08 am
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The joint venture does not yet cover US flights. AA said in its just filed annual report that it has been unable to reach agreement with IAG regarding those flights, with potential ramifications for the existing agreement.
There's nothing wrong with discussing these "grand" issues, assuming one is not being hypersensitive about AA's potential discomfort with such a discussion.
There's nothing wrong with discussing these "grand" issues, assuming one is not being hypersensitive about AA's potential discomfort with such a discussion.
Mar 4, 2014, 12:13 am
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If the standards of AA domestic were to fall to the European BA flights, particularly in the premium cabin, this would be very bad news for the traveler.
Mar 4, 2014, 12:16 am
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AA also has a joint venture with QF.
Mar 4, 2014, 12:22 am
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So far. But with QF's difficulties, who knows what the future holds for this agreement.
Mar 4, 2014, 12:26 am
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Well AA have been in Bankruptcy and IAG have only just returned to profit with Iberia still struggling. JL have had their own financial issues. One reason why airline stick prices are of limited interest to me as in the current highly commoditized market they are not really a good investment. Though those carriers in the Middle Eastern states with pro Aviation Governments are better placed.
Mar 4, 2014, 7:49 am
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Taxes, fees, etc. for PHL -> LHR (BA) -> PHL (BA) in Y:
BA YQ surcharge (YQ) $458.00
US International Departure Tax (US) $17.50
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) $2.50
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) $4.50
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) $5.00
US Immigration Fee (XY) $7.00
US Customs Fee (YC) $5.50
United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) $111.60
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) $66.20
US International Arrival Tax (US) $17.50
Total: $695.30
BA YQ surcharge (YQ) $458.00
US International Departure Tax (US) $17.50
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) $2.50
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) $4.50
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) $5.00
US Immigration Fee (XY) $7.00
US Customs Fee (YC) $5.50
United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) $111.60
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) $66.20
US International Arrival Tax (US) $17.50
Total: $695.30
On a paid ticket it makes no odds how the airline allocates the fare , whether it be all on fare or part fare , part surcharge
For BA , the lowest fare is $488 fare plus $458 surcharge plus taxes with total being $1187
For US, the lowest fare is $488 fare plus $458 surcharge plus taxes with total being $1187
For AA codeshared on BA, the lowest fare is $488 fare plus $458 surcharge plus taxes with total being $1187
For AA codeshared on US, the lowest fare is $946 fare plus taxes with total being $1187
Doesn't matter which of the 3 is booked, the total is the same, just the breakdown between fare and surcharge varies. Taxes are the same on all, so for a paid ticket it matters not what airline is used, the total is the same
The key issue for award bookings is that AA has agreed to collect BA surcharges on all travel booked on BA , including award tickets whilst AA ( unlike BA ) does not charge surcharges normally on award tickets
There is definitely a lack of neutrality here since for travel on AA, a BA member will be paying a lot more for an award ticket than an AA member will .
For true neutrality, perhaps AA should charge surcharges on all awards across the atlantic to be in line with BA , however it doesn't and AA members can come out very much ahead
For the OP, the airline cancelled a flight a long way in advance ( so even in the EU there would not even be any compensation due ) and rebooked on a flight which has the same award cost and gave the passenger choices and the passenger chose one that requires an overnight stay
For BA , the lowest fare is $488 fare plus $458 surcharge plus taxes with total being $1187
For US, the lowest fare is $488 fare plus $458 surcharge plus taxes with total being $1187
For AA codeshared on BA, the lowest fare is $488 fare plus $458 surcharge plus taxes with total being $1187
For AA codeshared on US, the lowest fare is $946 fare plus taxes with total being $1187
Doesn't matter which of the 3 is booked, the total is the same, just the breakdown between fare and surcharge varies. Taxes are the same on all, so for a paid ticket it matters not what airline is used, the total is the same
The key issue for award bookings is that AA has agreed to collect BA surcharges on all travel booked on BA , including award tickets whilst AA ( unlike BA ) does not charge surcharges normally on award tickets
There is definitely a lack of neutrality here since for travel on AA, a BA member will be paying a lot more for an award ticket than an AA member will .
For true neutrality, perhaps AA should charge surcharges on all awards across the atlantic to be in line with BA , however it doesn't and AA members can come out very much ahead
For the OP, the airline cancelled a flight a long way in advance ( so even in the EU there would not even be any compensation due ) and rebooked on a flight which has the same award cost and gave the passenger choices and the passenger chose one that requires an overnight stay
Mar 4, 2014, 8:12 am
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Regardless it seems like a fairly clever distinction to me, hence my turn of phrase.
Mar 4, 2014, 11:31 am
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That policy has always existed and has nothing to do with metal neutrality, however you define that term