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For inquiries into the best economy or Main Cabin Extra seat on this aircraft type, see this thread:
Best 77W / 777-300ER Economy Class / Main Cabin Extra / MCE seat (consolidated)
For inquiries into the best economy or Main Cabin Extra seat on this aircraft type, see this thread:
Best 77W / 777-300ER Economy Class / Main Cabin Extra / MCE seat (consolidated)
Seating confirmed: 3-4-3 on the 777 / 77W ... boooooooo
May 12, 2012, 5:00 pm
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...and if you don't end up in MCE....weather/IROPS/misconnect?
You have no idea what you are talking about with the comfort level of 1 less inch of width. KL AF and NZ (in addition to some European package sellers) are flying these. They are HORRIBLE. Until you sit on one for 10+ hours, your statement is reckless and uninformed. After flying NZ, I had a hard time believing to was even legal to put people in that type of environment.
You have no idea what you are talking about with the comfort level of 1 less inch of width. KL AF and NZ (in addition to some European package sellers) are flying these. They are HORRIBLE. Until you sit on one for 10+ hours, your statement is reckless and uninformed. After flying NZ, I had a hard time believing to was even legal to put people in that type of environment.
May 12, 2012, 5:53 pm
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Honestly...yes. Aisle seat and an hour flight is MUCH-different than being in a tube for 14 hours with NO shoulder room.
Hop on one of these if you don't believe me. It is hard to believe it is legal. I will do A LOT for a bargain. HOWEVER, I will NEVER step foot on a 10 abreast 777 - even if it was free.
Hop on one of these if you don't believe me. It is hard to believe it is legal. I will do A LOT for a bargain. HOWEVER, I will NEVER step foot on a 10 abreast 777 - even if it was free.
May 12, 2012, 5:58 pm
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If AA were planning on using these birds on ORDDFW, or LAXDFW, it would be one thing. These will be assigned to their longest routes. I can't imagine that if others don't follow, it will be a business-negative for AA.
May 12, 2012, 6:02 pm
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...and if you don't end up in MCE....weather/IROPS/misconnect?
You have no idea what you are talking about with the comfort level of 1 less inch of width. KL AF and NZ (in addition to some European package sellers) are flying these. They are HORRIBLE. Until you sit on one for 10+ hours, your statement is reckless and uninformed. After flying NZ, I had a hard time believing to was even legal to put people in that type of environment.
You have no idea what you are talking about with the comfort level of 1 less inch of width. KL AF and NZ (in addition to some European package sellers) are flying these. They are HORRIBLE. Until you sit on one for 10+ hours, your statement is reckless and uninformed. After flying NZ, I had a hard time believing to was even legal to put people in that type of environment.
May 12, 2012, 6:37 pm
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Think we can hold off on the histrionics and rhetoric until at least ONE person has sampled AA's product? You have no idea what they have in store for the seat, and to speak authoritatively about a product that is still in the development stage is, to use your own words, "reckless and uninformed."
Doing it on asian or middle east airlines is one thing (as people there are usually smaller), doing it on an european airline was a bad call, but doing it on an american airline, where most of their customers are getting bigger each day, is utter blindness.
This is not why AA is bankrupt (
), but if this is the kind of planning / reasoning / new business model that will emerge from bankruptcy, let us prepare to be scalded.
May 12, 2012, 6:41 pm
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Think we can hold off on the histrionics and rhetoric until at least ONE person has sampled AA's product? You have no idea what they have in store for the seat, and to speak authoritatively about a product that is still in the development stage is, to use your own words, "reckless and uninformed."
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May 12, 2012, 6:43 pm
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People want cheap fares ; the lower the cost that's wanted , something has to give
If AA is going to 3-3-3 plus 3-4-3, then they are still offering a less crowded section for those prepared to pay higher prices and of course, if people did dislike it, they can always book on other airlines; would be v unlikely that a 777 would be running to a destination where no other options exist
If AA is going to 3-3-3 plus 3-4-3, then they are still offering a less crowded section for those prepared to pay higher prices and of course, if people did dislike it, they can always book on other airlines; would be v unlikely that a 777 would be running to a destination where no other options exist
I don't have problem with AA providing "veal crate" service for people who are only willing to pay for that, but I'd prefer them to offer more products / price points than they seem to believe necessary. Until they do it's hard to find a reason to select them.
May 12, 2012, 6:45 pm
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Think we can hold off on the histrionics and rhetoric until at least ONE person has sampled AA's product? You have no idea what they have in store for the seat, and to speak authoritatively about a product that is still in the development stage is, to use your own words, "reckless and uninformed."
May 12, 2012, 6:48 pm
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Sadly, it's probably true in the sense that while some people may in fact refuse to fly or switch to other carriers, the extra revenue from more seats is probably greater than the revenue lost. And a lot of people - and companies - prioritize price over all else. But from an ergonomic standpoint, it still feels like selling the customer the box of crackers with less product for the same price and justifying how "that's what the public wants." (or will accept).
May 12, 2012, 6:59 pm
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Again, I'll wait to make a judgment until I've sampled the product. I did the same for a recent LH T/A and found that seat more comfortable than the AA 772, which is supposedly 1-1.5" wider with 1" more pitch. I expected the worst and really found it to be more comfortable than comparable flights on AA.
May 12, 2012, 7:01 pm
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At least VN lets you use the potty.
May 12, 2012, 7:07 pm
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Think we can hold off on the histrionics and rhetoric until at least ONE person has sampled AA's product? You have no idea what they have in store for the seat, and to speak authoritatively about a product that is still in the development stage is, to use your own words, "reckless and uninformed."
IT does not matter AT ALL.
It's a 777, 10 seats abreast.
There are 21+ inches between the edge of my shoulders.
Do the math.
Unless they drastically reduce the width of the aisles to come up with the extra 17"+, it is going to be VERY uncomfortable.
Again, what are they thinking [AA]?
boooooooooooo
May 12, 2012, 7:19 pm
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It does not matter what "they have in store" for the seat.
IT does not matter AT ALL.
It's a 777, 10 seats abreast.
There are 21+ inches between the edge of my shoulders.
Do the math.
Unless they drastically reduce the width of the aisles to come up with the extra 17"+, it is going to be VERY uncomfortable.
Again, what are they thinking [AA]?
boooooooooooo
IT does not matter AT ALL.
It's a 777, 10 seats abreast.
There are 21+ inches between the edge of my shoulders.
Do the math.
Unless they drastically reduce the width of the aisles to come up with the extra 17"+, it is going to be VERY uncomfortable.
Again, what are they thinking [AA]?
boooooooooooo
AA can get away with this reduction in seat width but passengers will feel the pinch in one or more ways.