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The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
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#3661
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The unions? That could be interesting, given how Parker has not been able to resolve Pilot and FA issues with the "East-West" divides in seven years, and now adding AA (and some TW) employees is going to fix it? So far, I've heard words and offers, but if it's not engraved in stone (or board endorsed contractual agreements) I am not a believer they're actually automatic winners in a US - AA reverse takeover.
The name is US Airways Group, Inc. If you're going to be pedantic, do it correctly.
It's also not American, AA, US, TW, USA, etc., etc. Whatever.
#3662
Join Date: Aug 2006
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That is really the bottom line - for passengers. The only real question is how bad will it be. I'm guessing horrific but hope I'm wrong. US seems to me to be Southwest with bad customer service.
That is really the bottom line - for passengers. The only real question is how bad will it be. I'm guessing horrific but hope I'm wrong. US seems to me to be Southwest with bad customer service.
#3663
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Location: London
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For AA FF members it will get worse, case in point: those who uses Intl transpacific flights, it will definitely get a whole lot worse and not likely to improve. AA oneworld is already limited to mainly CX and Japan with a few AA routes to Asia. Now with US Airways having to drop from Alliance and join oneworld, that just means more US FF members having to fight for already limited seats on oneworld.
#3664
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(Also, bagging on WN is sort of a tradition here on FT, but really, they're quite different from a legacy- AA and US have more in common than WN and any legacy.)
#3665
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Location: LAX; AA EXP, MM; HH Gold
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Gee, I don't know. Judging from posts on FT, there is a reasonably healthy demand for US-BKK service; and I bet that single plane service would have an advantage, even with a TYO stop. I'd sure love to have the opportunity to use my SWUs on that 6-7 hour flight between BKK and NRT. But where in the U.S. to originate?
There's really no rational business case for AA metal to duplicate the JAL network from Tokyo, as those seven daily flights (from Tokyo and HKG) provide plenty of top-shelf premium seats for the business traveler spending OPM. (The desire to upgrade cheap fares with SWUs or miles isn't a very compelling business case). Sure, I'd love it if my SWUs would get me into a big seat on my N or Q fare for those last 2,500 to 3,000 miles to BKK or SIN or KUL or MNL etc.
#3666
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Or OneWorld carriers continue to expand capacity in Asia (particularly through the AA-JL JBA)????? Why are you assuming that the current Asian route network is stagnant. The fact that AA is growing and gaining more passengers would more logically lead to a reason to more aggressively expand capacity.
Or do they focus on a weakness (Asia) and dump a lot of money in to trying to improve their position TPAC?
Short term, I think they will have too much on their plate to try and put a lot of energy and money in to Asia. Short term, is there anything they can do with OneWorld/Alliances that would strengthen their network to Asia? (or is this already maxed out with AA's legacy relationships with Asian carriers?)
Longer term, USAA has to see this as a glaring weakness that (I think) they would want to address with more of their own metal.
#3667
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Chicago, IL
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Posts: 296
I just keep wondering why......why Doug Parker as the defacto CEO of the potentially merged company.
Cuz he "wanted it more?"
Why wouldn't Horton just stay? Or the board pick a new leader?
Cuz he "wanted it more?"
Why wouldn't Horton just stay? Or the board pick a new leader?
#3668
Join Date: Mar 2009
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At the end of the day, AA's management took a risk in taking the airline through BK and assuming it would be able to lead it out of BK, and lost. There is no such thing as a risk-free gamble, and Tom is learning that the hard way this week.
#3671
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#3673
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#3675
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But airfares had to go up for the industry to be able to sustain itself.
And this is just a curiosity question - what benefits did 1Ks lose? I'm aware of the terrible system integration, bad customer service, and issues with Tens of Dollar upgrades post-merger but I wasn't aware that 1Ks actually had tangible benefits cut.
And this is just a curiosity question - what benefits did 1Ks lose? I'm aware of the terrible system integration, bad customer service, and issues with Tens of Dollar upgrades post-merger but I wasn't aware that 1Ks actually had tangible benefits cut.
Check-in desks, priority security lines, boarding groups and priority lanes, and previously-dedicated phone agents have all been expanded to include nearly every elite and credit card holder, bringing much of the 1K travel experience down to a level that's worse than the old Premier Executive. Also, the aggressive selling of premium seats for whatever UA can get means that upgrade rates have plunged dramatically for many 1Ks.
These changes don't seem to have helped UA's profitability at all, while they have degraded service for many of the customers they were supposed to help. One can only hope that Parker picks up on this and doesn't go down the same path.
Edit: I should add that 1Ks did lose our two confirmed regional upgrades per quarter in conjunction to moving to a CO-style unlimited upgrade program (which in fact does exactly the opposite of what you might expect from the name!).
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