Flying for Fun

The wording is not included with CX. Only Marketed & Operated CX flights are eligible for MR accrual. I am not sure if that is an oversight or intentional.

Qualify for mileage accrual

Flights must fall within the eligible flight number range below, and your flight must be marketed and operated by Cathay Pacific. Codeshare flights marketed by Cathay Pacific and operated by another carrier are not eligible to earn miles. Cathay Pacific award flights booked into the fare classes above are not eligible to earn miles or elite qualifying miles or segments.

Eligible flight numbers

0100–0999

To ensure flight credit, the two-letter airline code (CX) must precede the flight number (for example, CX XXXX) on your ticket receipt or boarding pass.

No miles will be earned for classes of service not listed above.

ashill

This was discussed in the Alaska oneworld benefits thread, which is more concise than this one and doesn't include the pre-joining conversation based on the increasing trickle of information:

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ashill

No need to speculate or be unsure. From the earning chart:
That last one is quite a kicker.

Mwenenzi

That is different from QF marketed EK operated.
I had not looked the detailed AS earning for QF (native & codeshare)
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi...artners/qantas
Note it states "For Qantas marketed flights" Not "marketed and operated"

But in details "Flights must fall within the eligible flight number range below, and your flight must be marketed and operated by Qantas or Qantas codeshare flights marketed by Qantas and operated by oneworld member airlines and affiliates. Codeshare flights marketed by Qantas and operated by a carrier that is not a oneworld member airline are not eligible to earn miles."

QF codshares on EK look to be QF8xxx series

Flying for Fun

While sliding off-topic, here is a non-oneworld datapoint:

The verbage for EK flights to be issued on EK ticket stock has always been a requirement, although I have experience with native EK flight numbers (MAD-DXB-ICN & SEZ-DXB-NRT) marketed by LA and issued on LA ticket stock crediting automatically in Mileage Plan.

James

ashill

Sorry, missed that you were talking about QF*/EK flights. I think the chart is quite clear here as well: it says "for Qantas marketed flights", meaning that it's the marketing carrier that matters (of course, the oneworld standard and different from how pre-oneworld AS handled it). Then the details say which Qantas-marketed flights, and they clearly exclude QF*/EK flights with the oneworld-operated clause.

Now, pre-oneworld AS likely would have granted credit based on the operating carrier even though the rules explicitly said no, based on experience with several partner pairs (BA/AA and DL/AF/KL being my personal experience, the latter obviously dating the experience a bit). That was always a we-know-it-isn't-allowed-by-the-written-rules-but-FlyerTalk-experience-says-it-usually-works thing; in the oneworld era, I think all we know is the it isn't allowed by the written rules part. Given that AS's rules are much more permissive now (it's now possible to get between most major city pairs in the world on flights that earn AS miles by the written rules, which wasn't the case before), it's possible that they'll hold to the written rules more. But we won't know until someone tries! (I'm not about to try, since I haven't flown since 2019 and won't be flying until Canada public health advisories suggest it, which is still several months away.)

Flying Yazata

Yes, it (BOS-MAD) is a Grupo Iberia (Iberia, Iberia Express and Iberia Regional) flight, so it's indeed a status and award credit eligible revenue flight. Level and Vueling only earn Avios with Iberia Plus and Vueling Club. Level is basically the cheapo brand for flights ex-BCN.

Indeed, all QF flights (ex. most JQ codeshare bookings) earn BAEC Avios and tier points, inc. the EK codeshares. AFAIK, indeed no other OW FFP does offer anything for those QF codeshares. I couldn't find why AAdvantage would earn for those award and status credits for non OW operated QF, but I might have missed some detail.

Flying Yazata

I finally took the time to do a computation of the theoretical AS MVP status credit earnings for all my current, still planned to happen revenue OW bookings for the rest of the calendar year 2021 (since AS MVP uses the calendar year and not any individual membership cycles). It took a while to do the math, since status accrual is different for different booking classes and carriers.

Apparently my AA, AS, AY, BA, IB, JL and UL revenue bookings would net me some 112 887 as AS MVP status mileage in 2021, but as that's without the minimum of six AS flights, I wouldn't make OWE.

So at least for the time being I won't yet do a switch to doing everything with AS MVP in Oneworld. I simply won't make the necessary six AS flights in 2021 with my current bookings and there's not enough time in my itineraries to do the missing legs, e.g. flying up and down the West Coast (well, I probably theoretically could do five legs in one day, if I wast... I mean: use productively one of my days in San Francisco this fall ).

But sure, a possible switch is still on the cards at some point, since AS MVP is among the best OW FFPs and I'm thus happy for AS joining, since it's a viable option for me. AS MVP is great for accruing award credits both inside OW and outside it, while there's ample redemption options as well (I know, maybe availability can be an issue, but that applies to most FFPs). With BAEC I usually do BA shorthaul saver redemptions, BA upgrades (Club World -> First) and partner redemptions (e.g. connecting to status hunting itineraries within Europe in C), but with AS the earnings are better and there's more alternatives outside OW. With BAEC the main advantages are that Avios are basically digital tokens and can be moved to other Avios based FFPs, mainly useful with Iberia Plus, and you can do BA cabin upgrades.

However I'm going to follow what happens with all those non OW AS partnership earnings in the future. I'm still observing the situation and haven't yet changed my FFP strategy. Since I gave up on my plan to do Flying Blue Platinum in tandem with my BAEC based OWE, AS MVP has been my secondary FFP. My biggest obstacle is that Nordic AMEX cardholders no longer have any US carriers as MR transfer partners (AS has never been one), so it's possible I might do AS MVP Gold 75K (OWE) and BAEC Silver (OWS) in tandem, from 2022 onwards. Non AA/AS status in OW is practical for US lounge access. Will see what I do in the long run, now that AS is a member. My now cancelled trip to AK this June-July would've been a tempting reason to switch, since I would've then made way beyond those AS six flights. Well, maybe 2022 then.

Earning top tier status isn't all too hard for me with either BA or AS, since I fly so much anyway and pay for premium cabins most of the time. It's more about the earnings and redemption advantages with my increased travel (well, excl. the pandemic downtime I've had now for over a year). Doing six AS flights per year isn't actually that hard, even based outside the US. It's mainly up to the AS network and fares, since I anyway tend to end up in the US at least once per year.

joachimm

Sorry should have included the city pairs, first leg is BOS-BCN and is branded Level when you search for them on Iberia site. But marketed and operated by Iberia "for Level", IB26XX flight #s, which would seem to fall under AS language for earning eligibility.

I don't really know what this means, I'm guessing Iberia marketing, Iberia crew, but Level plane? Unfortunately the tickets are about 2x as expensive once you click through to iberia.com, so it's not really that great of a deal. Not worth the EQM/RDM given how cheap they are these days and the risk I'd have to fight for them, I'll probably just book a united award and look for close-in *A J award space. OW doesn't have good options on this route (BOS-FCO). Might also status match to DL and take the PE nonstop. May be a moot point of Italy doesn't open up by September.

Flying Yazata

It means it's a Level flight with Level service. The plane and crew are Iberia (added precision: the cabin crew are probably on a Level roster with IB), since Level is only a marketing brand/name. Bookings are made on the Level website (https://www.flylevel.com/), although the Iberia website also, IIRC, allows making a mixed booking with Level included. If you get FFP credit from the Level flight, it would be a mistake and probably a temporary OW migration loophole with AS. The flight number range should exclude them. I personally never do VY or Level, since they're LCC and I get no FFP advantages (well, to be precise: I could earn Avios with VY and transfer those).

I disagree, while having taken a quick look at revenue ticket prices. I didn't look at redemptions. IB: BOS-MAD-FCO, BA: BOS-LHR-FCO, AA: BOS-gateway-FCO or a mixture (AA, BA and/or IB): BOS-LHR/MAD-FCO. Or travel to NAP, BLQ or MIL for a train connection to Roma Termini (i.e. the central railway station in Rome) with Trenitalia or Italo. BTW: BOS-FCO is with AZ, not DL, unless I'm completely wrong.

Are you sure you want to book a one way ticket?

Flying for Fun

Why would it be a mistake? The Flight is marketed by IB & has an IBxxxx flight number in the range 0001-9999. As long as the fare class is eligible. The OP would need to confirm that.

Eligible flight numbers

0001 - 9999

To ensure flight credit, the two-letter airline code (IB) must precede the flight number (for example, IB XXXX) on your ticket receipt or boarding pass.

Earn 500 minimum miles on flights shorter than 500 miles. No miles will be earned for classes of service not listed above.

James

Flying Yazata

Well, it's obviously a mistake by AS, which is probably due to the fact that the OW membership is still so new and TATL flights are in these circumstances not yet normalised. I was about to say that Level is currently grounded, but apparently at least BCN-EZE operates now. The folks at AS haven't obviously realised that Level is being run technically as IB26XX, inc. IB2626 BOS-BCN. The Level flights are never marketed as Iberia. The IB flight coding is unfortunately distracting. That's also why at least CX Marco Polo Club seems to be missing a Level clause, since I doubt they were meant to credit anything for Level flights.

To put it clear: Level is not a Oneworld brand/affiliate/member. And no, Wikipedia isn't an authority. There's an obvious mistake there. *makes mental note about redacting the Wikipedia article*

As some examples from other, more established OW members:

IB+: "To be able to offer you such attractive prices, the benefits associated with your Iberia Plus card tier will not be available when you travel with LEVEL."
AAdvantage: "Travel on flights marketed by Iberia and operated by Iberia for LEVEL (IB2600 – IB2699) aren't eligible for AAdvantage mileage accrual. AAdvantage members will earn miles on LEVEL flights marketed as American Airlines codeshare flights." (sidenote: it's pretty standard to earn that way to your own FFP)
BAEC: "Included: Iberia (IB). Excludes flights operated by Level on behalf of Iberia."
S7 Priority: "Please note: Miles cannot be earned on the following flights: IB2600 — IB2699."

AFAIK the only exception with Level is Finnair Plus, outside Grupo Iberia. Haven't really understood why, but yes, you can earn with AY+ on IB26XX and that's explicitly stated.

I can place a bet that the loophole will be a one off or it will be closed before anyone has the opportunity to use it for AS MVP earnings.

Flying for Fun

My idea was to locate another date with a stopover that had Flagship J on the MIA-LAX segment, purchase that itinerary and then see if I could "date" change the MIA-LAX segment to the desired date hoping Flagship J was available.

SJU-MIA is an International flight & AS allows a stopover on International Partner flights at the gateway. However, it appears this route is not eligible for a stopover. Quasi-International.

It does appear to be a married segment issue. When searching on AS with multi-segment and the inability to add a stopover on the route the search is resolved to a simple SJU-LAX one-way. Inventory on the through fare isn't available in Business even though each segment has availability independently.

On 10/16, I am seeing SJU-MIA availability in Y only while AA1454 MIA-LAX does have Business availability on the through fare.

If I look on AA for the same award booked in AAdvantage, the rate is 97.5K miles in all Business which indicates there is no sAAver space on the through fare which would be required for AS to book. The route is, however, also available in an all Business itinerary as an AA Web Special for 22.5K. Of course, that isn't available to book in Mileage Plan.

If 10/16 is your desired date, I would book AA1720 9:19-12:00 blocked at 2:41 in Y. You should get MCE on the strength of the Business award redemption if you don't otherwise have a fee waiver and connect to AA1454 in Business.

I should also point out that a revenue through fare, all Business Itinerary with Flagship, on those same flights is $303, just in case you don't want to redeem miles. It would earn 5072 EQM in MP and up to 8,748 RDM.

At that price, your AS redemption would be 1.11 cpm. If we add in the lost RDM opportunity that would have been earned on a revenue itinerary, the redemption for no status, MVP, MVPG & MVPG75K would 0.92, 0.88, 0.84 & 0.82 cpp. You may want to consider a revenue ticket and save the AS RDM for a better value redemptuon. For comparison, Flagship Business, LAX-MIA is $544 on 10/16. For 25K that redemption is 2.18 cpm; an excellent value.

James

Flying for Fun

How is it obvious? If FI is an exception, why can't AS be an exception too? Level is owned by IAG.

Is it a loophole? Even if it is a mistake, which isn't obvious, and it is changed, I think AS would still honour the credit based on the information that was relied upon.

Is the IBERIA call sign also incorrect?

James

eponymous_coward

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