Originally Posted by JacksonFlyer
(Post 31090010)
The only thing you “lose” is getting an upgrade (but apparently some elites have been moved to premium). Still get your miles, still get early boarding, still get your free drink (if you are at a certain elite level). |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 31089664)
1. It is not a scam. The features of the fare are clearly disclosed and the passenger makes a decision as to what he wants, needs, and can afford. It would be a "scam" if none of this is disclosed.
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Originally Posted by notquiteaff
(Post 31090463)
Well, I don’t recall that this was disclosed when I spent money qualifying for MVPG status. However, for most, they are a bad deal. Whether you ordinarily pay a change fee or not, these tickets are wholly inflexible. If you need to make a change or cancel, the ticket loses all value and you simply buy a new one. This ship sailed 6 years ago when DL introduced the fares and started expanding them because they are highly profitable and many customers like them (because they are cheaper and they want to save money). |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 31090497)
However, for most, they are a bad deal. Whether you ordinarily pay a change fee or not, these tickets are wholly inflexible. If you need to make a change or cancel, the ticket loses all value and you simply buy a new one.
In any case, none of the airlines really want you to buy them. It's there so they show up in the first page along with NK on the various search engines. At this point the airlines have so confused the low end fare restrictions that the search engines are useless (probably intent on the part of the airlines) and unless you're planning absolutely no changes and a $1 difference in price matters to you, you have to go to all the airline sites anyway to figure out the actual price for your combination of flights and baggage. |
Originally Posted by chrisl137
(Post 31090646)
In any case, none of the airlines really want you to buy them. It's there so they show up in the first page along with NK on the various search engines.
That all having been said: lol @ OP |
Originally Posted by jinglish
(Post 31090704)
Matching the ULCCs is the justification the carriers all give for adding BE, but that rarely, if ever, seems to actually be the case. AS's X fares are the same as what the pre-X R fares were, so they were already showing up alongside NK; this just lets them extract more money from anyone who wants upgrades or flexibility.
That all having been said: lol @ OP |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 31090497)
What specific term of the program was violated by AS introducing a new fare basis which has different features? You can look all you want and you will not find it. In fact, you will run straight into the disclosure that the program may be changed at any time (although the program has not been changed at all).
However, for most, they are a bad deal. Whether you ordinarily pay a change fee or not, these tickets are wholly inflexible. If you need to make a change or cancel, the ticket loses all value and you simply buy a new one. This ship sailed 6 years ago when DL introduced the fares and started expanding them because they are highly profitable and many customers like them (because they are cheaper and they want to save money). |
Wasn't there a court case that backed up airlines ability so do whatever it wants with its program with no notice?
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I don't know which case you are referring to, but I seriously doubt that any decision could be interpreted that broadly.
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Originally Posted by CDKing
(Post 31091425)
Wasn't there a court case that backed up airlines ability so do whatever it wants with its program with no notice?
More importantly, this one isn't even close. It is a contract which OP chose to enter with AS and now argues AS should not enforce. That is going nowhere with anyone. Most of all because a similar provision is in the terms of every FFP I can think of. Thus, even dumping AS doesn't get you anything. |
Originally Posted by CDKing
(Post 31091425)
Wasn't there a court case that backed up airlines ability so do whatever it wants with its program with no notice?
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RE: the theory that saver fares require Y space to be available, here is an example where only X is for sale.
When selecting "MVP® Gold guest" (thus filtering out saver) this flight option disappears. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4b4740c65b.png |
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Originally Posted by jjmadison
(Post 31095157)
RE: the theory that saver fares require Y space to be available, here is an example where only X is for sale.
When selecting "MVP® Gold guest" (thus filtering out saver) this flight option disappears. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4b4740c65b.png Edit: AS doesn't hide it... no clue why it looks that way for you. Cheap buy-up too. |
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 31095170)
Main is definitely available. Why the AS search engine hides it is beyond me.
Edit: AS doesn't hide it... no clue why it looks that way for you. Cheap buy-up too. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3390c074a8.png |
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It's showing both as T for me, which explains the price difference. I don't know why they aren't selling you T though
ETA: What if you click through from here: https://flights.app.goo.gl/gLr5y It shows me a $20 buy-up ETA again: but when I clicked through, it said that a "real-time price change" caused my itinerary to be repriced, and it showed me G. I guess they zeroed out T? And it took a while to fully propagate? |
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