Originally Posted by Thai-Kiwi
(Post 30514262)
When I read the news story, I made two additional fully refundable bookings DUD-WLG on earlier dates for my 2 lads. They are 'lucky' to have such flexibility, I can imagine that many travellers don't.
This was done to cover the situation where (if) alternate flights were offered but we decided that they were unsuitable for some reason, then we could take a refund and use these contingency tickets instead. Their current tix are Seat+Bag and so not usually refundable. |
Originally Posted by kyanar
(Post 30511869)
We don't know for sure that they haven't been bargaining genuinely and substantively. Sometimes unions really do ask too much.
I'd be interested to hear from any union members present if they don't have some sort of non-disclosure. The numbers mentioned appear attractive, however this is a skilled trade and these incomes are now unheard of in similar fields. The work done is often out of hours, weekends, public holidays and on call (the most hated work condition to many). The skills are internationally transferable and international rates of pay have to be considered (just like a CEO compares their own remuneration to some other CEO in the US). Only those at the table really know the score, if the engineers are being greedy or management too stingy. Hopefully this will be resolved soon so people can be where they need to be. Possibly not relevant but reminds me of a quote, "you think hiring a good tech is expensive, try hiring a cheap one!" |
Part of the problem is the high 'progressive' income tax. Whatever hourly premium the airline is offering is wiped or significantly reduced once you take into account, the overtime is mostly likely taxed at the highest income tax bracket. Workers may value their time over incremental net pay. I don't see this left-wing union friendly government reducing income taxes or adjusting the income tax bracket creep in a hurry.
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Originally Posted by graham_d
(Post 30514817)
Agreed, there is much discussion of what they already get but not of how they get it.
The numbers mentioned appear attractive, however this is a skilled trade and these incomes are now unheard of in similar fields. The work done is often out of hours, weekends, public holidays and on call (the most hated work condition to many). The skills are internationally transferable and international rates of pay have to be considered (just like a CEO compares their own remuneration to some other CEO in the US). Only those at the table really know the score, if the engineers are being greedy or management too stingy. Hopefully this will be resolved soon so people can be where they need to be. Possibly not relevant but reminds me of a quote, "you think hiring a good tech is expensive, try hiring a cheap one!" You may be correct and they may be deserving, I have no idea. But the tactics being employed by the union are IMO appalling, and do them no credit. This is not a group of working class people hard up before Xmas. However, many of the people affected will be, saving up for flights to see their families at Xmas etc. They are not like many of us on this forum who have options, like booking flexidates etc . The optics are not in the Union's favour here. And if there is a strike and the government does not say anything, I can't see them coming out of this smelling like roses either. |
High progressive income tax? In New Zealand?
Originally Posted by poopbunny
(Post 30516227)
Part of the problem is the high 'progressive' income tax. Whatever hourly premium the airline is offering is wiped or significantly reduced once you take into account, the overtime is mostly likely taxed at the highest income tax bracket. Workers may value their time over incremental net pay. I don't see this left-wing union friendly government reducing income taxes or adjusting the income tax bracket creep in a hurry.
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Really guys? Is this thread going to turn into a political debate? On an airline forum?
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Originally Posted by oranjemakker
(Post 30516414)
You may be correct and they may be deserving, I have no idea. But the tactics being employed by the union are IMO appalling, and do them no credit. This is not a group of working class people hard up before Xmas. However, many of the people affected will be, saving up for flights to see their families at Xmas etc. They are not like many of us on this forum who have options, like booking flexidates etc . The optics are not in the Union's favour here. And if there is a strike and the government does not say anything, I can't see them coming out of this smelling like roses either.
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 30514340)
In my case earlier dates isn't an option. I may have to book Jetstar as my contingency (NZ being separate ticket to international on another airline).
So 1 booking down for NZ already. If strike dates extend over Christmas period then I'll have other NZ bookings to look at replacing. |
Originally Posted by nzkarit
(Post 30514188)
On an airline which doesn't use AirNZ Ground Engineers
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The intended strike is specific to Air NZ flights as far as I can tell, so other carriers that 'buy' services from Air NZ engineering would, I presume, continue unaffected.
Caveat: my presumptions have been wrong before. |
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/378052/air-nz-engineers-vote-to-strike-for-three-days-next-week
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3 days of strike: 21-23 Dec inclusive
Originally Posted by ps107
(Post 30521847)
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/378052/air-nz-engineers-vote-to-strike-for-three-days-next-week
This will also seriously stress NZ’s ability to try and move pax to alternate days |
Don’t think this has been raised in the thread...... assuming this is only jet services and not turbo prop? Mt Cook and Air Nelson engineers would be on a different contract? anyone who is better informed have any idea? thanks |
What a miserable bunch...I respect their ability to strike, but for the unions to jeopardise peoples plans around Christmas is truly abhorrent. These aren't employees who are treated poorly our paid poorly either, how many other companies give all their staff bonuses? If they feel so aggrieved, maybe they should see how green the grass is on the other side at say Jetstar? Whilst I am "lucky" to have the flexibility that I don't need to be at a wedding, graduation etc., the grandparents who see my daughter 2-3 times a year stand to be deprived of a few days with her, they probably aren't as relaxed as me about it.
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Originally Posted by bce1
(Post 30521914)
Don’t think this has been raised in the thread...... assuming this is only jet services and not turbo prop? Mt Cook and Air Nelson engineers would be on a different contract? anyone who is better informed have any idea? thanks |
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