cavemanzk

It would be okay if..

1) Parents used to the childerns room, intead of allowing there kids to use the lounge as a play ground

2) Kids where not allowed to help them selfs to the food! At BNE of the limited food they have most of the kids snap it up and leave nothing for anyone else.

3) Please don't allow you kids to just sit there streaming music or videos on youtube! When you have 100 people trying to use the wireless at AKL it doesn't help.

Thai-Kiwi

I was told this today as well. It was noted that there was discretion being applied locally at each KC by staff, esp in the main centres - so this '*G+KC=2 guests' may vary in application.

Staff also mentioned that many KC members turn up with guests, but without guest passes - so this change is designed to simplify things for all concerned and avoid awkward moments at the lounge entry.

The kids issue is an interesting one. When TG*G, and no status for Mrs TK, TG, SQ and NZ have all been great on allowing the 4 of us in. This was when the kids were 'small' (<15 and physically small) and well behaved (as always).

I have noticed that KC can become a bit of a zoo on occasions in comparison to other carrier's lounges - in part, I suspect this might be due to the 'paid access' nature of KC rather than entry buy status alone.

The answer to 'are kids guests' for access purposes will be interesting one. Air NZ's previously generosity and flexibility in the past could be its Achilles heel if there is a tightening up on access.

Cheers, TK

brenrox

I usually find that the children in the lounge are more tolerable than some of the more older people in there - e.g the ones who insist on sharing their phone call or treating the lounge as their local pub. The kids generally go to the kids rooms, play playstation, pool etc and are well behaved. I can't recall ever seeing any running round like headless chickens.

I think kids watching a couple of youtube videos is the least of the issues, it's the more computer savvy ones downloading movies, TV episodes that clog it up; but, in saying that, I never seem to have any issues with internet speeds.

I agree with TK, people have become used to the entitlement of bringing them in and if there is a change of ruling, some could get annoyed.

Rebound

"hey i'm just in the koru lounge!!"

cavemanzk

I do think that was more to blame on that Buy Trans Tasman Flights & we will give you lounge access durring the school hoildays last year was the cause of that one

Shazzadude

Yeah, I've never really noticed children as that big a problem. I agree that those self-important so-and-so's who feel the need to boom their cellphone conversations across the lounge are annoying though, and the no cellphone signs around the TV area in AKL domestic don't seem to deter them either.

wayoutwest

Rule 5.5 (d) from Koru T&C's
"(d) Each Child travelling with a member may accompany that Member into a lounge as that Member's guest. Each child over twelve years old will require a Guest Card or will need to surrender a Guest Pass. Children admitted to the Lounges must be closely supervised by an accompanying adult to ensure the comfort and privacy of other Members using the Lounge."

So a child is a guest and a child over 12 needed a Guest Pass. So if you allowed one guest then can take one child in regardless of age, though think they will let under 12's in and then over 12's be the one guest of a member themselves - could be some money here for NZ a Youth membership !!

I much prefer no kids as get fed up seeing some of them pile their plates up high and then leave most of it. if parents were made accountable for their young charges then it may not be too bad.

wayoutwest

From Koru:
"Children under 12 are not counted as guests.

The Koru lounge teams will continue to apply discretion to families travelling together. The terms and conditions of the programmes haven’t changed - anyone over the age of 12 will need a guest pass.

Gold members will be able to bring 2 guests in to the lounge per visit."

There is the clear answer, under 12's not counted as guests, over 12 are and will need a pass but staff can make final decision for family groups.
Clear as mud and something we can all rely on when taking the grandkids away

Shazzadude

I don't suppose *G can now admit one person to regional lounges?

brenrox

They always have been able to bring in one guess - it's Koru who aren't allowed.

cavemanzk

From 18June Koru can

Rebound

Not good for lounges such as New Plymouth, Palmy, Nelson to name a few, i've seen 30-40 people trying to get into New Plymouth at times its ridiculous!

everywhere

I do not see why you find those two behaviours less tolerable? It is not like the AKL Lounge actually has anywhere quiet or private to go to use your cellphone, and this is a major problem when trying to conduct business.

The quality of liquor served in these lounges is about on par with what you would find being served in your local Lion Red pub or Cossie Club.

everywhere

And added to the double blow of the poorly catered dump status of the New Plymouth lounge at that...

kiwibigdave

Always a pleasure to jump on this bandwagon ...

cavemanzk, I am sure your views as a 21 year old are exactly the same as the vast majority of all 21 year olds with their own access rights to lounges, but if you ever have the joy of children of your own then your view will change. The increased tolerance will be just part of your growing up.

And, for me, these sum up the entire issue. Yes, some children are badly behaved or food fussy and their parents might apply a little more control in controlled environments. And yes, some adults in lounges appear to amplifiy their mobile phone voice or drink more than others. But most people are not like that, and tarring everyone in the category with the same brush is [select your answer from a scale that starts at 'ignorant' and ends at 'unfair'].