San Gottardo

Exactly. And that is also true for campaigns that are not open to everybody but only targeting only one specific segment (holders of specific status with a specific FFP, anyone in one country, people working for a specific company, people booking through a specific travel agent) - no need to show your statement.

In the above example where I "congratulated" someone for getting Air Berlin topbonus two days before the company was sold to a competitor that is what I had in mind: there will probably be campaigns targeting topbonus card holders, and those will be in the no-statement-needed-style. That person may have matched himself into AB without earning it which will allow him to match to another status without earning it.

A number of years ago my wife was a LH Senator and AF Platinum by chain-matching/gifting: Senator because I gifted the card to her as a HON, and with the SEN card she then used the AF matching campaign to obtain Platinum on FB.

SkyteamEP

But I guess one would still earn status miles at the Ivory level...

natcin

not familiar with revenue-based programs. but does the same miles-earning rate apply when i credit Skyteam partner airline flights to FB?

i.e. no matter if its an AF/KLM/SU/MU flight credited to FB, it will be revenue based?

i do remember reading somewhere that on one of the US airlines, if you buy the same ticket ticketed by a partner airline (but operated by US airline question) and credit it to the US FFP, you get way more miles since the miles are awarded based on booking class instead of price.

chil

I can tell about the AAdvantage program -- no, it's not. Because they cannot control other airlines' tickets/pricing, they can do revenue based crediting only on their own flights. If you take partners, they use some weird conversions for status dollars (EQD) based on the fare class and the actual mileage. They also use different coefficients on status miles (EQM) for AA and non-AA flights generally penalizing their partners. Given that fares are often identical to within a cent on AA and partners, it often happens that you earn more EQDs on a partner but fewer EQMs.

For example, a discounted business class fare (I) on BA earns 150% of EQMs while 200% on AA, but for the EQDs on BA they would use a conversion factor 0.25 applied to the mileage which might end up with almost twice as much as the real price of the ticket. From my personal experience: I flew a couple of times MOW-LHR-SCL in premium economy. The r/t ticket was about $1900a.i. but it earned 3400 EQDs because of the 0.2 conversion factor. The cheapest economy would be $1300 earning 850 EQDs because the conversion factor is 0.05.

Xandrios

The Elite bonus stays the same as before: 50% additional for silver, 75% for Gold and 100% for Platinum. So I thought to remove that factor from the overview.

irishguy28

The only "official" tobponus status match campaign so far - that offered by Finnair but no longer active - specifically required a listing of the past 12 month's FFP statement. It was open to Miles & More members, too.

Given AB's never-ending policy of status matching - even after entering administration, people are still reporting successful topbonus status matches - I don't think the "normal" rules will apply should others open a targeted topbonus status match, and will follow a similar path as that of AY.

NickB

This is a possible outcome, of course, but I think that the evidence put forward is a little on the thin side to support the conclusion, especially when the solitary example given runs against dozens of previous examples going the other way.

wuzziduzziman

Is this really the case or does the status multipliers apply to level miles too?
With all the posts I've seen it hasn't become clear yet.

skyhighlander

It does not now so I doubt it will in the future...

NickB

Even if there were a thousand more posts, I doubt that this is something which would have "become clear yet" given that all we can have is speculations based on an un-intentional system glitch.

If you want clarity, you will have to wait at least until we have an official announcement from FB (and even then, there will in all likelihood be many darker corners where the light will not have been thrown yet) .

Masterfrog

Well the main question is about qualifying segments.

Flying in economy didn't earn many miles so it won't change much with the new system.

If they stop this segement system, the program will become absolutly worthless for Y flyers. But I doubt it. American Express shouldn't see much difference either.
I am also wondering if the residency will be impacted. French residents have the worth deal with Flying Blue at the moment.

brunos

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CosmicGirl

This is not entirely on topic but it was discussed here before, so I feel it's appropriate to post this here; against all odds my request for a topbonus status match was granted 7 weeks later. If it ends up being useless, so be it, but it certainly won't hurt.

FBplatinum

I expect a HUGE members transfer from FB to Delta Sky Miles, mostly because no-USA resident are not under the minimum yearly spending criteria.

For Y traveler's (no-USA) is more easy to reach a status with SM than FB.

I have myself do the "switch" from FB to SM, and find the program more interesting (choice benefits --> FB did not have this).

Goldorak

I doubt it. In your case, being based In Canada, that’s another story of course and because you are knowledgeable in FFP. But 99% of FFP members have no clue about all this, including in the top tier levels. And there are always some pros & cons with every program. Regarding DL, their horrible lounge access policy in contract lounges is a big no go for me.