Originally Posted by majik
(Post 29376347)
Yes AF/KL logic, lets make less money by discouraging our most frequent travellers from upgrading.
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Originally Posted by SkyteamEP
(Post 29376603)
I guess they expect those pax to book in J instead of booking in Y and upgrading.
Many flyers are booked into Y for daytime flights by their employers and are self upgrading if it is available and at fair cost. Now, exponentially increasing upgrade fares on loyal FB flyers in a misguided attempt at forcing them to purchase full J fares is going to backfire. I mean what kind of optics are produced when a Y pax with a $1000 ticket gets an upgrade offer for $400 while the FB Gold flyer with (J/Y) mixed class fare costing say $2600 is offered the same seat on the same flight for $1200! AF/KL are living in some kind of PR-free twilight zone. |
Originally Posted by majik
(Post 29377067)
I mean what kind of optics are produced when a Y pax with a $1000 ticket gets an upgrade offer for $400 while the FB Gold flyer with (J/Y) mixed class fare costing say $2600 is offered the same seat on the same flight for $1200! AF/KL are living in some kind of PR-free twilight zone.
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
(Post 29377072)
They don't need to care about the PR as long as their competitors aren't better.
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Originally Posted by majik
(Post 29380513)
Literally THE worst way to run a business. KL in particular are falling well behind not only their competitors but also their ST partners.
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Originally Posted by BER Flyer
(Post 29381065)
Ha, not really. Delta flyers for instance LOVE KL flights out of amsterdam - the easiest way to upgrade an TATL flight. Try to do such an upgrade on a DL flight, the asking price is the same for everyone : the exact price difference between the paid Y ticket and the published C tariff. So KL is still far better then most competitors, just ask your friends over on the BA forum!
However DL still has regional & global upgrade certs as a perk for Diamond/Plat medallion and complimentary upgrades on NA flights. So out of the gates DL has better upgrades offerings for FF. |
Originally Posted by majik
(Post 29384453)
Not anymore. As I have said before, since the revenue management system change in September upgrades for AF/KL FF are being charged at rates equivalent to the Y/J fare difference, so now exactly the same as Delta does.
However DL still has regional & global upgrade certs as a perk for Diamond/Plat medallion and complimentary upgrades on NA flights. So out of the gates DL has better upgrades offerings for FF. 1) Domestic first class has actually better seats and is not a moving curtain. 2) All airlines in US do that, not just Delta. 3) They are actually moving off from that slowly (paid upgrades, etc.) Good luck getting an upgrade on one of the main routes though, because many times domestic first class is sold out anyway. Just because you don't get the upgrades as you did before doesn't mean airline has bad PR ;) (not defending the exorbitant upgrade pricing here with the new system). |
Originally Posted by majik
(Post 29384453)
Not anymore. As I have said before, since the revenue management system change in September upgrades for AF/KL FF are being charged at rates equivalent to the Y/J fare difference, so now exactly the same as Delta does.
However DL still has regional & global upgrade certs as a perk for Diamond/Plat medallion and complimentary upgrades on NA flights. So out of the gates DL has better upgrades offerings for FF. |
Originally Posted by majik
(Post 29384453)
Not anymore. As I have said before, since the revenue management system change in September upgrades for AF/KL FF are being charged at rates equivalent to the Y/J fare difference, so now exactly the same as Delta does.
However DL still has regional & global upgrade certs as a perk for Diamond/Plat medallion and complimentary upgrades on NA flights. So out of the gates DL has better upgrades offerings for FF. Had an similiar offer ( i think 311 Euros ) for AMS-JFK on december 20th. |
Originally Posted by Solevita
(Post 29386364)
It does seem somewhat odd to offer upgrades for the fare difference. (...) But everybody else, if they wanted to upgrade for what it would have cost to just purchase the J ticket outright then they most likely would have done just that.
But remember that AF is obsessed with the idea that people who can afford to pay C will gamble and pay Y if they can hope to upgrade for cheaper. This is completely stupid and only an imbecile can believe that. If you wish to fly C and can afford it, then why would you take the risk of ending up in a cramped seat by booking Y? Anyhow, AF hates upgrades (other than for staff, friends and family). |
I am AZ Ulisse, no FB status
on Feb 4 got offered on OLCI upgrade from M to J on LIN_AMS: € 74 - I declined today on OLCI upgrade from H to J on AMS_KUL: € 378 - I accepted! (Consider I had paid €130 for Econ Comfort seats, that as far as I know get discounted, in this case total cost shound be around € 500, which is in my range). Cheers, Alberto |
Originally Posted by BER Flyer
(Post 29386522)
I was offered ( and accepted ) a 339,- euro upgrade from Y ( either L or V, lowest Y booking class ) to C for AMS - ATL on january 27th so there still offers like these around. During the same trip was also offered 79,- Euros for TXL-AMS and 89,- Euros for AMS-ARN, both declined.
Had an similiar offer ( i think 311 Euros ) for AMS-JFK on december 20th. |
Online check-in for my flight tomorrow DUS-AMS-CTG.
Got an offer for an upgrade DUS-AMS 99 Euro AMS-CTG 899 Euro. No thanks. Was registered before with my FB number to get a better offer or at least an offer with miles. After check-in I changed to my DL Diamond to have free access for the Eco Comfort. Ridiculous this offers. But I think other travellers got better offers because after check-in began, the open seats in Business were very fast occupied. Changed from J9 to J1 in some hours. |
little bit off topic - but Alitalia seems to be the choice for cheap upgrades. I just returned from a LHR-ICN journey (850€ premium economy ticket) where I could upgrade from for 180€ (minimum bid accepted). next weekend I am on a 600€ premium economy roundtrip MUC-JFK and minimum bid starts at 240€). Reports indicate that when there is availability AZ takes the extra cash when possible ;)
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The at the gate upgrade offer for ATL-CDG (Feb 10) on a 772 (40J) was $1200 from Y and $600 from PE. I don't recall the milage option - but it was high enough that it was a bad value in my mind vs cash. Saw many pass on the offer when they heard the cash amount, but I took it as the flight was over two hours late which was going to result in a very long layover to my onward destination and I needed the sleep. When I boarded they announced they had 4 J upgrades left. Looking back, this is definitely the most I have paid at the gate in ATL.
This was on top of a $2k last minute economy fare - but in total still much less than what AF and DL want for J ex-ATL (typically $6-8k!) when booked within 14 days. Once I run out of GUCs I typically book AF metal for at least the overnight TATL flight on these last minute flights, rather than on Delta, for the paid upgrade opportunity. My tolerance for booking J ATL-EU is about $4k RT. Much more over that and I'll suck it up in Y. Offer at OLCI was $800 with the old 773 seat for my return on Feb 15 day. I passed on that. |
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