EY wet-leases AF 343
Feb 5, 2013, 2:16 pm
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The term is correct -- AF is wet-leasing its aircraft to EY.
Segment Flight Note
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CDG-AUH COMMERCIAL DUPLICATE - OPERATED BY
AIR FRANCE FOR ETIHAD AIRWAYS
CDG-AUH AIRCRAFT OWNER AIR FRANCE
CDG-AUH COCKPIT CREW ETIHAD AIRWAYS
CDG-AUH CABIN CREW ETIHAD AIRWAYS
Segment Flight Note
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CDG-AUH COMMERCIAL DUPLICATE - OPERATED BY
AIR FRANCE FOR ETIHAD AIRWAYS
CDG-AUH AIRCRAFT OWNER AIR FRANCE
CDG-AUH COCKPIT CREW ETIHAD AIRWAYS
CDG-AUH CABIN CREW ETIHAD AIRWAYS
If it were a wet-lease should cockpit and cabin crew be AF?
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Feb 5, 2013, 2:23 pm
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Not necessarily:
From http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease#Wet_lease:
From http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease#Wet_lease:
"In the United Kingdom, a wet lease is when an aircraft is operated under the Air Operator's Certificate (AOC) of the lessor.
When an air carrier provides less than an entire aircraft crew, the wet lease occasionally is also sometimes referred to as a damp lease, especially in the UK. A wet lease without crew is occasionally referred to as a "moist lease"
When an air carrier provides less than an entire aircraft crew, the wet lease occasionally is also sometimes referred to as a damp lease, especially in the UK. A wet lease without crew is occasionally referred to as a "moist lease"
Feb 5, 2013, 4:23 pm
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mmm... that reminds me of the confusion of flights operated by bmi on behalf of Lufthansa (under a wet lease agreement) which could be booked under a bmi code on a codeshare basis: yes we are bmi but, no, not really as far as you are concerned as we are really kind of Lufthansa. However, you can book under our bmi code but do understand that although the crew and aircraft are bmi, this really should be regarded as if it were a Lufthansa aircraft (notably in terms of earning miles, whether you can use upgrade vouchers, etc...) and therefore not really as a bmi metal flight even if it is in fact bmi metal. Still following me? 
No end of confusion with these on the bmi board in those days
If I am hobest, it is not that difficult to follow really if you are methodical. Online booking systems, however, are not really designed to be able to distinguish with that kind of subtlety.
No end of confusion with these on the bmi board in those daysIf I am hobest, it is not that difficult to follow really if you are methodical. Online booking systems, however, are not really designed to be able to distinguish with that kind of subtlety.
Feb 5, 2013, 6:41 pm
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As a loyal Etihad customer and a great fan of their premium cabins (especially their Business class is outstanding!) I am quite shocked how they even dare selling EY tickets at EY fares to make people travel on an Air France plane where the premium cabins are either absent (no First) or hugely inferior (NEVx vs. true lie-flat in a kind of mini-suite, small screen vs. big screen, internet access on some planes vs. no internet access, etc). I typically check on the type of plane that I take so I'd notice, but I'd be really mad if I blindly trusted EY and then found myself confronted with the bad surprise of walking onto an AF A340. And even without that I am mad. I regularly use both the morning and night flights from CDG and also on the way back I use the night flight (less often) and the early morning departure. Now my choice is limited: whilst it will be bearable to be in the NEV seats on the 9am departure for the day flight to Paris taking the Air France A340 without any lie flat seats for a night flight is just a big no no. And Etihad has the nice benefit of never being on strike, although I assume that EY will use one of its own planes should the AF-operated bird not fly because of a strike (=so the best thing that can happen to you as an Etihad customer is for Air France to go on strike and be on the replacement plane!).
Etihad
I have lost any trust in them 
Etihad
I have lost any trust in them
Feb 5, 2013, 9:53 pm
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Well it is ending on only one out of two daily flights. But the beauty of EY was precisely that there were two flights per day, giving passengers a choice. With one of the flights now no longer offering the superior EY product the offering becomes much less attractive.
Feb 5, 2013, 11:41 pm
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Not necessarily:
From http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease#Wet_lease:
From http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_lease#Wet_lease:
"In the United Kingdom, a wet lease is when an aircraft is operated under the Air Operator's Certificate (AOC) of the lessor.
When an air carrier provides less than an entire aircraft crew, the wet lease occasionally is also sometimes referred to as a damp lease, especially in the UK. A wet lease without crew is occasionally referred to as a "moist lease"
When an air carrier provides less than an entire aircraft crew, the wet lease occasionally is also sometimes referred to as a damp lease, especially in the UK. A wet lease without crew is occasionally referred to as a "moist lease"
Feb 6, 2013, 10:35 am
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Feb 6, 2013, 1:41 pm
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we are pleased to welcome you onboard your flight EY 123 bound for Doha. This flight is operated as a damp lease using an Air France aircraft and some bits and pieces of Air France crew and maintenance and more Etihad one, and is operated in conjunction with our Air France partner as part of a half baked code-sharing agreement with ourselves working on behalf of someone else....
Feb 6, 2013, 2:16 pm
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Thanks irishguy28, NickB and orbitmic!
Feb 6, 2013, 10:19 pm
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