"Somewhat scary one near Winnipeg" - The AC Master Incidents Thread
Nov 9, 2014, 10:52 am
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I'm not worried about turboprop engines failing in the air either.
And this has nothing to do with an engine failure. This is a propeller, something commercial airliners are anal about keeping pax away from when the pax board or de-board on the tarmac. I'm was not, and still am not, worried about a propeller coming off mid flight and slicing my torso in half. I am however worried that during landing, takeoff, and taxi, the propeller blade breaking off as it hits the ground for other reasons and killing me. Turboprops are horrors, and I for one will be sitting in the back of q400s or far in the front.
Nov 9, 2014, 10:54 am
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Nov 9, 2014, 11:05 am
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I've survived jet engines that fail in the air.
I'm not worried about turboprop engines failing in the air either.
And this has nothing to do with an engine failure. This is a propeller, something commercial airliners are anal about keeping pax away from when the pax board or de-board on the tarmac. I'm was not, and still am not, worried about a propeller coming off mid flight and slicing my torso in half. I am however worried that during landing, takeoff, and taxi, the propeller blade breaking off as it hits the ground for other reasons and killing me. Turboprops are horrors, and I for one will be sitting in the back of q400s or far in the front.
I'm not worried about turboprop engines failing in the air either.
And this has nothing to do with an engine failure. This is a propeller, something commercial airliners are anal about keeping pax away from when the pax board or de-board on the tarmac. I'm was not, and still am not, worried about a propeller coming off mid flight and slicing my torso in half. I am however worried that during landing, takeoff, and taxi, the propeller blade breaking off as it hits the ground for other reasons and killing me. Turboprops are horrors, and I for one will be sitting in the back of q400s or far in the front.
Turbine blades are as much prone at "coming off in mid flight" and slicing your torso in half" as propeller blade, or more. For a variety of reasons, they are way more challenging to design This said, the "in mid flight" part is rather unlikely. It would be much more likely during takeoff when at full power.
Plus, turbofans are more or less glorified turboprops, with the prop being ducted. (OK a bit of a gross oversimplification, but from the standpoint of blades fying off, more or less OK.)
Nov 9, 2014, 11:08 am
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I'll say it again:
Unconfined Engine failures occur in Jets too. Example: Qantas A380 (2010), And Spirit A320 (2013). Statically the last few rows are the 'safest' (highest probability of surviving a major incident, if only extremely marginally), so will people also stop flying J?
There are tens of thousands of flights daily so I would hope that smart Frequent Flyers in this forum are logical enough not get caught up in the hysteria of an outlier and choose their seats for comfort, or atmosphere and not because they perceive it a safer...
Unconfined Engine failures occur in Jets too. Example: Qantas A380 (2010), And Spirit A320 (2013). Statically the last few rows are the 'safest' (highest probability of surviving a major incident, if only extremely marginally), so will people also stop flying J?
There are tens of thousands of flights daily so I would hope that smart Frequent Flyers in this forum are logical enough not get caught up in the hysteria of an outlier and choose their seats for comfort, or atmosphere and not because they perceive it a safer...
Nov 9, 2014, 1:09 pm
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...especially those who, you know, ever drive in cars.
Nov 9, 2014, 8:43 pm
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They don't 'foam' runways anymore, as not only would it degrade braking action (perhaps causing, in and of itself, an over-run or an unplanned egress), but it involves the use of a heck of a lot of (toxic) material in an effort to take care of a relatively uncommon problem upon landing, landing gear fire. Not to mention, actually make it harder for the first responders to get to the aircraft when it does stop.
Nov 10, 2014, 7:18 am
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This story reports that one of the injured passengers in the Edmonton incident received a head injury from the propellor:
http://canadajournal.net/canada/air-...er-18889-2014/
One passenger described how the whole inside of the plane blew out causing fiberglass to be embedded into Ms Kurylo’s skin, before a huge purple lump appeared on her head after she was hit by the propellor.
Nov 10, 2014, 7:57 am
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Nov 10, 2014, 8:19 am
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I suggest waiting for the official report before questioning what could/should have been done.
Example, did the landing gear fail, pulling the plane off the runway, or did the plane skid off the runway because of the blown tire and the gear collapsed when it exited the runway?
Blown tires on take off are rather common occurrences as incidents go, but its difficult to see if the tire 'shrapnel' has damaged anything else in the brake mechanism. Example, if the brake mechanism was seized with debris.
Example, did the landing gear fail, pulling the plane off the runway, or did the plane skid off the runway because of the blown tire and the gear collapsed when it exited the runway?
Blown tires on take off are rather common occurrences as incidents go, but its difficult to see if the tire 'shrapnel' has damaged anything else in the brake mechanism. Example, if the brake mechanism was seized with debris.
Nov 11, 2014, 10:34 am
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